outbuilding - poor condition

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  1. joey heydt

    joey heydt New Member

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    Apr 17, 2006
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    State:
    Pennsylvania
    We found this shed the other day on an FHA inspection. Would you call for its removal?
     

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  2. jlabauve

    jlabauve Member

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    Feb 24, 2009
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    State:
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    Absolutely -- call for repair or removal. It is a safety hazard.
     
  3. CANative

    CANative Elite Member

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    Jun 18, 2003
    Professional Status:
    Certified Residential Appraiser
    State:
    California
    Appraisers don't have the authority or responsibility for "calling for removal."

    If your boss doesn't know the answer then your boss should withdraw from the assignment.
     
  4. imjiminnh

    imjiminnh Junior Member

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    Oct 4, 2003
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    New Hampshire
    Wood in contact with ground, does not meet MPRs, condition subject to repair.
     
  5. Terrel L. Shields

    Terrel L. Shields Elite Member

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    May 2, 2002
    Professional Status:
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    State:
    Arkansas
    Rotten storage shed has no value. I don't know if they require it removed. I would red flag it and suggest it should be removed. I don't think it is a 'safety' hazard per se.
     
  6. imjiminnh

    imjiminnh Junior Member

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    Oct 4, 2003
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    State:
    New Hampshire
    Defective paint anywhere on the subject property is an automatic "subject to repair" conditon per the HUD manual on any 1978 property (lead), it is definitely a safety hazard (poison).

    4150.2 paragraph 1 states "Observe all interior and exterior surfaces .... for defective paint. (exterior srfaces include surfaces on fences, garages, storage sheds, and other outbuildings..) Note any affected areas and condition the appraisal upon their repair."

    Made pretty clear here (unuaually enough), but rarely followed through on in my review experience.
     
  7. imjiminnh

    imjiminnh Junior Member

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    Oct 4, 2003
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    State:
    New Hampshire
    Value doesn't matter, read the HUD manual 4150.2 page D28 paragraph 1. To summarize, defective paint noted on fences, storage sheds or any outbuilding requires conditioning subject to repair on any pre 1978 residence. In my opinion if the building is removed, problem solved, if it is repaired, likewise. Is it my job to determine what the least expensive course of action is? Nope. The building has no value in its current condition but per clearly laid out HUD guidelines is a safety hazard that must be repaired. Shoot em all and let the devil sort em out.
     
  8. ROBERT JONES

    ROBERT JONES Junior Member

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    Feb 12, 2002
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    State:
    New Jersey
    May not be a safety issue but could effect future marketability. If HUD forecloses they would have to repair it or tear it down - so does the seller.
     
  9. Terrel L. Shields

    Terrel L. Shields Elite Member

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    May 2, 2002
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    I'll bet that storage shed was built well after 1978. They don't last long.
     
  10. brunge

    brunge New Member

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    Aug 24, 2002
    Professional Status:
    Certified Residential Appraiser
    State:
    Virginia
    rotten shed

    I amazes me how many times I have heard, or read in appraisal reports that a shed or other detached structure that is in poor condition is referred to as "not given contributory value", or "has no value" etc.. All improvements on the property should be mentioned and if there is a condition issue it should be described (in my opinion). A building in poor condition could realistically have negative market value (cost to remove and the hassle of) which is contributory value, just in the negative direction.
     
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