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Old 07-19-2007, 06:52 AM
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http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/res/resindus.cfm

RESPA 15. Can a flood zone certification company examine a lender's existing loan portfolio for free or at a reduced rate, in exchange for the lender sending the company future business?

No. Flood zone certification is a covered settlement service (24 CFR 3500.2), therefore RESPA would apply to agreements by companies or persons providing portfolio reviews. Providing free or reduced reviews is a thing of value.

Providing this service in exchange for referrals of future flood insurance business would violate Section 8(a) of RESPA which provides that "[n]o person shall give and no person shall accept any fee, kickback, or thing of value pursuant to any agreement or understanding, oral or otherwise, that business incident to or a part of a real estate settlement service involving a federally related mortgage loan shall be referred to any person."
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USPAP SHOULD BE REVISED AND SUBSTITUTE - Appraisal for Flood Cert. and CLEARLY state,without Equivocation (i.e. AO-19), that an Appraisal (verbal or written) IS A THING OF VALUE .........with exactly the same language as above.

End then "comp check" debate once and for all. THEN ENFORCE THE LAW.
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Old 07-19-2007, 08:48 AM
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Great post Mike. Adding that to USPAP would go a long, long way in cutting out the inflated appraisals or hitting numbers.

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Old 07-19-2007, 09:24 AM
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Mike,

That may be the clearest, most concise statement I have ever seen that goes toward settling this debate.

I would only add that RESPA makes it ilegal for party A to offer and for Party B to accept.

USPAP only governs party A. However, it would go 99% of the way to correcting the issue.

Thanks, I feel smarter having read this.
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:50 AM
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http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/res/resindus.cfm

RESPA 15. Can a flood zone certification company examine a lender's existing loan portfolio for free or at a reduced rate, in exchange for the lender sending the company future business?

No. Flood zone certification is a covered settlement service (24 CFR 3500.2), therefore RESPA would apply to agreements by companies or persons providing portfolio reviews. Providing free or reduced reviews is a thing of value.

Providing this service in exchange for referrals of future flood insurance business would violate Section 8(a) of RESPA which provides that "[n]o person shall give and no person shall accept any fee, kickback, or thing of value pursuant to any agreement or understanding, oral or otherwise, that business incident to or a part of a real estate settlement service involving a federally related mortgage loan shall be referred to any person."
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USPAP SHOULD BE REVISED AND SUBSTITUTE - Appraisal for Flood Cert. and CLEARLY state,without Equivocation (i.e. AO-19), that an Appraisal (verbal or written) IS A THING OF VALUE .........with exactly the same language as above.

End then "comp check" debate once and for all. THEN ENFORCE THE LAW.
Mike, the ASB will consider suggestions such as yours for revisions to the USPAP. You need to be the person to offer your suggestion.

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Old 07-19-2007, 10:21 AM
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It would probably be easier and more effective to amend the rgulation, since that regulation applies only to lending and not to all appraisal practice. It would be nice if, for once, the cause of the problem were addressed instead of the symptom.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:33 AM
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Mike, the ASB will consider suggestions such as yours for revisions to the USPAP. You need to be the person to offer your suggestion.

Lee
DONE. THANKS FOR YOUR SUGGESTION.

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As a State Certified Residential Appraiser in NY State, and an active Member in www.appraisersforum.com, I wish to proffer a valid solution which would unequivocally End the "hot debate" regarding "Comp Checks" across the country. Kindly refer to the RESPAP Regulation below applicable to "A THING OF VALUE" i.e. a flood certification. It is my opinion, that clear, concise, USPAP Revision to the Ethics Rule incorporating similar Language will clarify the often misunderstood, and/or, ignored Language in AO-19 which Requestors, and thousands of Appraisers across the country INTENTIONALLY misinterpret. On behalf of Ethical Appraisers, I request serious consideration of the following recommendation:


http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/res/resindus.cfm

RESPA 15. Can a flood zone certification company examine a lender's existing loan portfolio for free or at a reduced rate, in exchange for the lender sending the company future business?

No. Flood zone certification is a covered settlement service (24 CFR 3500.2), therefore RESPA would apply to agreements by companies or persons providing portfolio reviews. Providing free or reduced reviews is a thing of value.

Providing this service in exchange for referrals of future flood insurance business would violate Section 8(a) of RESPA which provides that "[n]o person shall give and no person shall accept any fee, kickback, or thing of value pursuant to any agreement or understanding, oral or otherwise, that business incident to or a part of a real estate settlement service involving a federally related mortgage loan shall be referred to any person."
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USPAP SHOULD BE REVISED SUBSTITUTING - Appraisal for Flood Cert. and CLEARLY state, without Equivocation (i.e. AO-19), that an Appraisal (verbal or written) IS A THING OF VALUE .........with exactly the same language as above.

End then "comp check" debate once and for all. THEN ENFORCE THE LAW.

Thank you for your consideration of this recommendation.

Regards,

MEK

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Old 07-19-2007, 11:55 AM
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This suggestion makes too much sense. Therefore, it will never get implemented.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:25 PM
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AO-19 isn't the law (nor is it part of USPAP, per se) and it can't be enforced as such unless the states adopt it into law. You're also addressing this problem from the supply side instead of the demand side; it is an indirect approach that would have commensurate results.

You are effectively saying that no appraisal, regardless of use or user, can be performed without charge. Welcome to the People's Republic of China.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:39 PM
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I think it would be clear to all, at least to me, that we are talking about FRT's, not all appraisals. If it can be contexted(sp?) as the RESPA ruling was, there would be no ambiguity.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:40 PM
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And PS George,

In China, they would have executed the ASB by now....
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