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Allegations of Appraiser racism

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I'd rather deal with a real review appraiser working for the bank than an AMCs computer scan ran by a foreign national - untrained in appraising - then pestering you for additional information. Only to have that results then sent to the client bank to only have an administrative review from a loan secretary turned "reviewer" vet it again weeks later.
I agree. During the 1st year of Covid I stopped doing 1004's and switched to Review Work. Took awhile to convince the AMC about my Fee, they finally relented.

Never observed any hint of Bias in the work I reviewed. I did observe Obvious AMC Influence/Engagement letter non-sensical.Reporting Requirements/Explanations. True that might be some legacy thing a lender just sticks to because they think its meaningful. I actually think it is because they don't update or modify the Standard one size fits all Engagement letter.

One Real Common deficiency; Prior Transfer history of Subject and Comparable. Almost none of them said anything about it, other than just showing the last 36/12 months transfer in the Box. One in particular that I recall very well, had a complex Subject Transfer History. Appraiser just showed that last transfer. I had to create a rather large paragraph of that history.

The good news is the Final MV on all of them were reasonably supported. IMO No one pushed or depressed the MV. Having said that about 10% of the reports were really good. Comprehensive and Complete.

To the point of the Thread Topic.

This is probably going to be some of these appraiser's undoing, even though they don't have bias, the minimalistic content appraisal report of a minority home is going to draw attention. I hope no one gets caught up in the Current events, but I see this as inevitable everywhere in the Country. That crowd is building a case. Right now the evidence is Anecdotal. Coming to your town soon! We already have Dot-Gov Testers out there trying to Trap a Realtor.(this is being done for quite awhile now)
 
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Interesting take on all this in miller’s housing notes. Although he has a major gripe battle with TAF.


 
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Appraiserville​

(For earlier appraisal industry commentary, visit my old clunky REIC site.)

The Appraisal Foundation’s “Unbearable Whiteness of Being” Has Awakened The ASC Tiger​

With the near-total lack of diversity in the leadership across the Appraisal Foundation, and unprofessional actions in the past year such as the bat-**** crazy letter, the knee-jerk temporary expansion of USPAP for one year without advanced notice to all the stakeholders based on “COVID”, the dishonest effort to mislead Congresswoman Waters to initiate an audit of everyone in the appraisal regulatory process EXCEPT the Appraisal Foundation itself, which is the actual player in the sandbox that needs scrutiny may have been the cause of this:


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Wow. This is the part that stands out:

The goal of the review is to ensure that USPAP and the AQB Criteria do not encourage or systematize bias, and consistently support or promote fairness, equity, objectivity and diversity in both appraisals and the training and credentialing of appraisers.


That’s going to be very awkward for TAF to explain how:

  • there is nearly zero diversity on their technical boards for the past thirty years
  • they cultivated the appraisal profession to be dead last in the diversity of 400 occupations tracked by BLS with 96.5% of appraisers being white
  • the head of the diversity committee is a middle-aged white guy
  • the Ethics Rule is poorly written, seemingly giving appraisers leeway to use race data to make adjustments
  • AO16 was written

The Appraisal Foundation’s Diversity Survey Isn’t Credible But Is Laughable​

TAF’s Diversity Survey touts its high participation rate of 4,714 (7.4%) of the 64,000 email survey who actually completed the survey. As someone who works with data for a living (I’m an appraiser, after all), look at the following chart. Does something in it jump out at you?



Step back and absorb this logic:

According to the survey, 77.6% of appraisers who answered the question: “With which racial and ethnic groups do you identify?” identified as white.

So an institution that, according to federal government, has the least diversity of the 400 occupations they track, sends an opinion survey to appraisers who are predominantly white to ask them questions about diversity?

This is not a credible approach for research. Anyone with any experience with data knows that survey data is incredibly unreliable and the lowest form of information.

My goodness.

Appraisers Who Think They Are Fighting The Good Fight Have Missed The Point​

To my appraiser friends and colleagues who have written heart-felt screeds about how appraisers are observers of the market and not creators of value as well as the stunning lack of understanding of what our appraisal profession actually does in that Brookings Institute study of a few years ago, you are absolutely missing the broader point here and it’s serious – as serious as it gets.

Our industry has no diversity. That’s a fact and leadership in our profession such as TAF had no clue until the past year when many of us took them to task for it. They still don’t get it based on their recent actions.

When you say things like, there is no proof that appraisers are racist, you don’t have a leg to stand on because organizations like TAF exist, organizations that are willfully blind to reality, no matter how much you believe what you are saying. Take a break from talking about it from the appraisers’ on-the-ground perspective and think of it from the perspective of the public and users of our services.

Our role involves public trust. Over 30 years of systemic, identifiable, and un-addressed bias and racism sweeps us from the realm of public trust. The public has no trust in us and it’s only now that the massive institutions that hold our future in their hands are waking up to it. We are on the wrong side of history, and our unchallenged leadership has placed and kept us there.

For the past 30+ years, the institution responsible for our standards and entrance into the profession has been dominated by middle-aged white guys (like me).

From the public trust perspective, the very basis of our profession, this is classic systemic racism defined. It’s not a statement about you individually, it’s about the system we came through. That’s what needs to be corrected.

And those news stories about discrimination in valuation won’t stop coming because they are like shooting fish in a barrel. That’s because as an industry, we can’t defend what is nearly a whites-only – and dominantly male – environment. We need to fix TAF now unless you want to be reading “appraisers are racists” stories forever and see our profession marginalized further, even eliminated.
 
Banks and other financial institutions with 50 or more employees are required to have an Affirmative Action Plan because they are deemed to be a "Federal Contractor" under the law by virtue of holding treasury tax or loan accounts, handling saving bonds, and acting as government depositories.

http://www.bankersonline.com/compliance/bm_affirmative.html

For federal contractors and subcontractors, affirmative action must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance qualified minorities, women, persons with disabilities, and covered veterans. Affirmative actions include training programs, outreach efforts, and other positive steps. These procedures should be incorporated into the company’s written personnel policies. Employers with written affirmative action programs must implement them, keep them on file and update them annually.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/hiring/affirmativeact.htm

Hummmmmm

Might a $700 fee impact the diversity of potential applicants as subcontractors, to a federal contractor?

Hummmmmmmmm

 

Mejappz


I am not replying to your post by including(quoting) your post above.... no point to do that, we all probably have read it.

I get that you're critical of the TAF. I get that you think they play a role in diversity. I won't disagree entirely with that because they do play a much smaller role.

The real question that needs to be answered: How much of a Role? If so then more importantly; What can they do about the lack of diversity in the profession?

Well, they can do something, but no matter what they do it will not solve the diversity issue.

The lack of diversity in our profession is a symptom of a much larger societal problem. We as appraisers have literally no say about this. Even Collectively we will not be heard.

I am going to put you on the spot. You tell all of us what is your proposed solution(s). Spell it out line by line. What would you do?


FTR I tried to spell out what I saw as barriers. Someone then made a veiled post implying I was a Racist. I blew it off because that response was from that member is someone who has their head in the sand and fingers in their ears while vocalizing NA NA NA NA Na.
 
Banks and other financial institutions with 50 or more employees are required to have an Affirmative Action Plan because they are deemed to be a "Federal Contractor" under the law by virtue of holding treasury tax or loan accounts, handling saving bonds, and acting as government depositories.

http://www.bankersonline.com/compliance/bm_affirmative.html

For federal contractors and subcontractors, affirmative action must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance qualified minorities, women, persons with disabilities, and covered veterans. Affirmative actions include training programs, outreach efforts, and other positive steps. These procedures should be incorporated into the company’s written personnel policies. Employers with written affirmative action programs must implement them, keep them on file and update them annually.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/hiring/affirmativeact.htm

Hummmmmm

Might a $700 fee impact the diversity of potential applicants as subcontractors, to a federal contractor?

Hummmmmmmmm

I complete and keep updated a diversity file via 'Procure One' for FNMA. I don't have to pay anything. Maybe what I do is not what your posting about
 
I complete and keep updated a diversity file via 'Procure One' for FNMA. I don't have to pay anything. Maybe what I do is not what your posting about

Well,
Sub contractors to the Federally insured banks are
the AMCs.

It is up to the Federally insured banks to ensure that the AMCs are diverse in ownership.
And then if the AMCs have subcontracted out work, well, that becomes sticky, because of the "agent of the lender" issue.

So, if you are subcontracted to the lender via an agent, the way I read it, the lender is responsible for making sure those contracts are divided among the subcontractors in a manner that complies with their requirement for "diversity". (I am not an attorney)

So ultimately, for lender work, the appraisers that are being sub contracted, must represent a diverse pool of sub contractors.

However, for appraisers that are small businesses and do other types of work, there is no requirement for diversity, at all.

Hence, blaming a profession based on a requirement for only a portion of the profession (those doing lender work) is entirely false, and is meant as a distraction, least the Government is willing to make the case that all small businesses must be diverse and we start getting ethnic reports about pizza shop owners.


But again, I am not an attorney, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn.

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So to conclude,

Blaming TAF, is wrong.

TAF oversees all appraisers, not just those doing the work of Federally Insured Lenders, or other Government Contracts, or School District Contracts.

There are appraisers that "specialize" in divorce, estate, right of way (for the land owners), court work, tax work, and other types of work where the client is the property owner, that have no requirement at all for diversity.

But if there are any walls that prevents diversity, it starts with background checking, eliminating many over silliness, and continues with, go-to-guys that receive all the work (because they make the number or are the cheapest) So, start off with going over the way the work coming out of AMCs is being distributed to the "most qualified", and then you'll identify the barriers that a more diverse population has encountered or precieves that that the investment into becoming part of the profession is a lost cause that will never pay out.


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There is no answer to the charge leveled at our profession. You, me and all the other members of this forum have no way to solve the issue.

I know for example that small businesses of any type are exempted. I think it is gaged by how many Employees you have, but I am not sure of that.

Since we are almost literally 100,000 small one person Independent Contractors; How can we possibly do anything about it without the Collaboration of a large majority. That won't happen! Heck, we sometimes can't get everyone to agree on an specific Appraisal Problem. LOL

Again, the TAF is not responsible either. Although it would be interesting to see that happen. They could be embarrassed about not being diverse.

Having a few minorities in the TAF higher structure would certainly clear one premise up real fast. There is NO systemic Racism within Appraisal Theory and Methodology!
 
I wonder what the diversity is like among the AQB-Certified USPAP Instructors? Because getting more diversity there would be a precursor to getting more subject matter experts who check these other pre-determined attributes. For the ASB, anyway. While we're at it there are the state appraisal boards (and Calif's state agency).
 
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