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Does A Trainee Need To Sign A Report In Order To Get Experience Hours Credit?

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dolfan

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I am a trainee in Florida applying for my Cert Res. I finally got my audit request and one report was an FHA appraisal (trainees can't sign FHA appraisals) and the other was an appraisal where a condition of the report was that a trainee could not sign. We noted my significant assistance in both reports and detailed what I did, so we are covered there. But I am worried that with no signature, the state won't give me credit for the experience hours. I have googled the death out of this question and I can't get a good answer anywhere, and documentation on this has been impossible to find. I e-mailed the state on Wednesday to ask this very question and I have yet to get a reply (today is Monday). I'd love a link to the actual document that states whether or not I have to sign a report in order to get credit.
 

timd354

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I am a trainee in Florida applying for my Cert Res. I finally got my audit request and one report was an FHA appraisal (trainees can't sign FHA appraisals) and the other was an appraisal where a condition of the report was that a trainee could not sign. We noted my significant assistance in both reports and detailed what I did, so we are covered there. But I am worried that with no signature, the state won't give me credit for the experience hours. I have googled the death out of this question and I can't get a good answer anywhere, and documentation on this has been impossible to find. I e-mailed the state on Wednesday to ask this very question and I have yet to get a reply (today is Monday). I'd love a link to the actual document that states whether or not I have to sign a report in order to get credit.
You need to ask your state board as it is their opinion that matters
 

dolfan

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You need to ask your state board as it is their opinion that matters
I am a trainee in Florida applying for my Cert Res. I finally got my audit request and one report was an FHA appraisal (trainees can't sign FHA appraisals) and the other was an appraisal where a condition of the report was that a trainee could not sign. We noted my significant assistance in both reports and detailed what I did, so we are covered there. But I am worried that with no signature, the state won't give me credit for the experience hours. I have googled the death out of this question and I can't get a good answer anywhere, and documentation on this has been impossible to find. I e-mailed the state on Wednesday to ask this very question and I have yet to get a reply (today is Monday). I'd love a link to the actual document that states whether or not I have to sign a report in order to get credit.
I have, and they don't like to reply to e-mails apparently. Calls are worthless as the customer support staff only know answers to website questions and not actual questions regarding the profession.

Edit: Also, since I am having such a hard time finding this information, it'd be more beneficial to promote a dialog on this topic as opposed to merely directing me to ask the state. That is the purpose of this forum, is it not? Perhaps if we can answer my question in this thread then other people trying to find the same answer will see this thread in their google searches and would avoid the same frustrations I am experiencing.
 

gregb

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http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/re/documents/Forms and Publications/DBPR_FREAB_Work_Log_2300.pdf

9. Reporting of Applicant's Work Performed: Supervisory Appraiser must ensure Trainee is properly registered with DBPR and accompany Trainee appraiser for Items I, II, and III of the checklist for the first 6 months and thereafter until the Supervisory Appraiser determines the registered trainee is competent. USPAP requires that significant appraisal assistance from other not signing the certification must be acknowledged in the Certification of the report.
 

Elliott

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Ask your supervisor appraiser.....he better know the laws of his state.
 

dolfan

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Florida
http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/re/documents/Forms and Publications/DBPR_FREAB_Work_Log_2300.pdf

9. Reporting of Applicant's Work Performed: Supervisory Appraiser must ensure Trainee is properly registered with DBPR and accompany Trainee appraiser for Items I, II, and III of the checklist for the first 6 months and thereafter until the Supervisory Appraiser determines the registered trainee is competent. USPAP requires that significant appraisal assistance from other not signing the certification must be acknowledged in the Certification of the report.
Thank you for this info! It seems like this is saying that I should get credit even without signing the report. I read the whole form just to see if there was anything I missed. I do wish they would outwardly answer this question instead of making us guess!
 

Howard Klahr

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I do wish they would outwardly answer this question instead of making us guess!
What is even more interesting is that it didn't even seem to concern you in the least until that specific report is what was requested to be reviewed.
 

Michael S

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New Mexico
In New Mexico they changed the law about eight months after I started as a trainee so that any hours claimed on a report I didn't sign only counted for half credit. I was not signing commercial reports until probably 18 months in as I was not competent to complete the whole appraisal until then. Consequently I had about 4,500 actual hours by the time I submitted my 3,000 hours that counted to the state.

Each state is different and there's nothing much you can do now. You can keep calling until you get connected to someone at your state board who actually has a clue but it probably won't matter as it's a little late to change anything now.
 

dolfan

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What is even more interesting is that it didn't even seem to concern you in the least until that specific report is what was requested to be reviewed.
Yeah, super interesting :leeann:
 

dolfan

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From this link toward the bottom of the document: http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbp...ents/2014/08-14Meeting/0814FREAB61J1_4010.pdf

(9) A registered trainee appraiser who made any contribution to the development or reporting of an appraisal must be named in the appraisal report and the work performed by the registered trainee appraiser must be described in detail and the time claimed in the trainee’s log must also be included in the report.
(10) A registered trainee may not sign an appraisal certification within the first twelve (12) months of his or her registration as a trainee appraiser.
Again, nothing is explicitly stated about whether a trainee needs to sign the report to get credit for the hours they put in. But this leads me to believe that as long as your contribution is mentioned in the report, credit will be given. I'll update this thread if I ever hear back from the state.
 
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