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Lender Requests? (Telling Me How to do My Job!)

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I'm admittedly weak in my knowlege of the SOW concept but also don't understand how I could have been aware of whether my comp selection would have metl client guidelines without initiating the project. It's like a client who insists on adjustments less than 5% before the SCA is completed (possibly a spurious example). Not only that, but I don't think the majority of stips are based upon stated guidelines.
 
Sounds like Provident's requirements-what you did not post was that they also say if criteria cannot be met, provide comments regarding why. Provident likes to extract a pound of flesh with a bunch of requests for info-I say they are merely trying to create the illusion that they are being diligent when in fact they likely don't have anyone that even reads the appraisal report in its entirety---some yo yo has a checklist to go by.
This is where our new policy requiring the name and phone number of the person generating the requests is going to be helpful.

As long as the client instruction includes what I highlighted, then there is no reason to decline the order.

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This is another example of clients taking on the role of teacher to appraisers. It never comes out good because clients change course with the economic times and appraisers don't (ethical ones).

The proper teaching of appraisers would be to adhere to USPAP and do the research necessary to determine the most credible comparative sales (for example, proximate, recent, and similar) and to make supported market based adjustments. This holds true whether the market values are stable, increasing, or declining. Providing additional comments as to why/how the comps were selected and why they were considered the best available has always been necessary. This has always been true whether the client specifically asks for it or not. This is not a punishment.

During the bubble, many appraisers allowed the client to "teach" them to go a little wider, a little farther back, use a little less similar, and ignore atypical incentives in order to hit the number. These clients also taught appraisers that the USPAP-necessary additional comments were not important so appraisers routinely left that part out. They were relieved to do so because they would have had a hard time actually justifying their comp selections. The teaching was extremely effective because failure to learn these tricks ment withholding of assignments.

Now these same clients are attempting to re-train their favored appraisers to submit more credible reports. The problem is that they still are not doing it right.

In general, a requirement to arbitrarily limit comp selection, by itself, is too restrictive.

In general, adding that if those restrictions can't be met, more explanation is required, takes the sting out and allows the appraiser to do a credible appraisal. The appraiser angst that arises from this is because the client asking for further comments has always been used by them as a punishment. This is a perception problem harbored by the client-trained appraisers. Commentary is not a punishment, it is part of a credible report in any market.

The additional coercive practices of some clients, especially AMCs, will usually come into play. The reward/punishment ranking system will continue to favor the number hitter and the faster/cheaper appraiser. These types of clients have achieved ridiculous turn times by encouraging appraisers to limit their analysis and reporting to a non-credible level. Now that they desire more credible "looking" reports, they expect the same fees, turn times, and number hitting.

My rambling is meant to point out that appraisers need to take responsibility for the credibility of their work and stop letting clients teach them how to appraise. The teaching should come from the ethical part of the appraisal industry, not from pushy clients.
 
I'm admittedly weak in my knowlege of the SOW concept but also don't understand how I could have been aware of whether my comp selection would have metl client guidelines without initiating the project. It's like a client who insists on adjustments less than 5% before the SCA is completed (possibly a spurious example). Not only that, but I don't think the majority of stips are based upon stated guidelines.

The point is to be able to recognize unacceptable assignment conditions up front. If the conditions are unacceptable, you must decline the order.

It is not the point to accept the assignment, begin work, and later make the determination of whether you will get lucky and find out that the unacceptable restriction will not affect the credibility of this particular assignment.
 
Agree with Marcia and SANDY (some of it). Use their "requirements" to know where and how to provide additional narrative comments and exhibits. Type their requirements right in to your report under the scope of work discussion and then address each item individually. It can be really helpful if you can include a one line report of ALL sales in the area for a 12 month (or longer) period. Make sure the report shows MLS#, address, selling price, selling date, DOM, GLA, room count (bed and bath) and lot size. If they want more comps they can look at the list and see that there is nothing better than what you used (if you in fact used the best there was).

I have to deal with this every day due to the rural nature of my territory.

All they really want is a good appraisal.
 
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I have seen this sort of statement made before by appraisers so I'm not trying to pick on your post but I am questioning the concept of turning down engagements which are to restrictive.

I understand the argument of SOW, however how do you determine there are no COMPARABLE sales if you don't start the appraisal process?
In addition most of these are "Guidelines" not rules that must be followed in all circumstances regardless of market findings.
Prior to this real estate down turn there were appraisals performed that did not meet every lender GUIDELINE, but when deviated from the GUIDELINE there was an explanation as to why there was a deviation.
It did not necessarily make for a misleading report and in most instances when properly explained the lender / underwriter was able to make an educated lending decision.

I guess I am just wondering what is common practice now. What comes first, do you reject the job because it's to restrictive when requesting comps within 6 months or do you begin the assignment and upon pulling comparable data and you find no "Comparables" for the subject in the last 6 months do you then turn down the assignment?:peace:
If you know the area where the subject is located, you should also know something about the sales activity. Lack of sales equates to using older sales. Once the guideline is known, it really isn't that difficult to reject the assignment if the client insists that their guideline on that point must be a adhered to. Look at Q&A 95 page F44 of the current USPAP manual. You might be using properties that are not that comparable in order to meet that guideline just because they are newer sales.

As for changing assignment conditions after the acceptance of the appraisal order, that also becomes a decision point of reject or accept the new conditions.

The problem most appraisers have is the belief that if they don't go along with the SOW guideline issued by the client, they won't get the order. Or after accepting an order with out knowing the whole of the client's guideline, the assignment conditions change. Now it becomes the client's problem of either accepting the appraisal as it is or rejecting it if the appraiser cannot comply or will not comply. Either way, the appraiser believes that if he does not accept the changed assignment conditions, he will not see this client again.

In today's market conditions, underwriting guidelines have tighten considerably from what they were. It is standard now to include listing and pendings in the report as part of the SOW. Before accepting an assignment, start asking questions about what the client wants are and that includes additions made to the property with out proper permits.
 
Just do the job and try your best to adhere to their guidelines (which aren't unreasonable in declining markets). My position is there is too much work involved to determine whether or not the assignment can be completed in accordance with their guidelines upfront. Do your best, explain in great details why the comparables were selected (and may not conform to their guidelines) and you should be OK. If they don't want to lend on it that is their business. They cannot insist on you putting square pegs into round holes. Doing all the pre-requisite work to determine whether or not they will be happy is not your job. Providing them the best appraisal is.
 
I do work for the same lender and I state in my appraisal why I could not comply with the SOW if I couldn't. Give them a good explaination of why you couldn't and give them what is available. They may come back at you for the request again, but, inform them that you addressed the SOW in the appraisal. This usually takes care of the stip for me.
 
OK this question might show how little I know about lending practices, and might be one of the reasons that my understanding of the SOW concept is shallow:

My typical client is a MB. Upon receiving an order for a residential x-plex, in zzz city/county, can I request a copy of the lender's appraisal guidelines for this property type in this location?

I've never even seen a lender's guidelines and think that this might help, although I also agree with Kevin that my responsibility to generate a credible report is as much if not more important than than to develop a report that fulfills the lender's guidelines.
 
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Given the declining market combined with increased lender caution, I do not think that it is reasonable for appraisers to insist on a direct line of communication to the lender's person that is requesting any additional information rather than allow ourselves to deal with unqualified intermediaries. The appraisal process has become complex enough due to market conditions that it is not an unreasonable requirement on our part. The appraisers' response to the request for information will be much better and to the point after direct discussion with the person asking for the information. It would also give us a chance to "TRAIN" or re-train the lenders' so called professional/underwriter in such areas as why the best comp actually may not be the one that meets their canned requirements. Like I posted before, once we were able to talk directly to an underwriter on the condo we did, we were able to convince the underwriter that additional comps outside the subject project were not necessary. Had we not insisted on talking directly to the person asking for the additional comp we would have had to do this meaningless extra work not to mention try to figure out how to adjust a sale that was not comparable.

Also I think Greg's post pretty much nailed what may actually be necessary on our part up front when you actually do have the lender's criteria up front and you know you can't meet that criteria. Scan into the report the lender's criteria and respond to each individual item separately. At least you are telling them very plainly that hey I read your criteria and here is why I could not find comparables that met that criteria. Some lenders just don't have anyone qualified reading the appraisal report so ya gotta lay it out right in front of them-then there are some that can't even follow that!
 
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As long as the client instruction includes what I highlighted, then there is no reason to decline the order.

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This is another example of clients taking on the role of teacher to appraisers. It never comes out good because clients change course with the economic times and appraisers don't (ethical ones).

general, a requirement to arbitrarily limit comp selection, by itself, is too restrictive.


My rambling is meant to point out that appraisers need to take responsibility for the credibility of their work and stop letting clients teach them how to appraise. The teaching should come from the ethical part of the appraisal industry, not from pushy clients.

Excellent response, Marcia. I agree with you 100%
 
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