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Ellen Shilshtut

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Hi all,

I am new to this forum as well as to the appraising field (just passed my first test for apprentice certificate). I was pretty excited about diving into appraising field before I came to this forum. Some of the posts are not very incouraging for the newbies.

So, at this point I am pretty nervous about getting my first job. If you have any advise on this issue, please let me know. Am I better off trying to find a mentor or going for my first job into a large bank?

Any help would be appriciated.
 
If you can find a job with a bank...do it. The bennies are always worth a lot! Don't be discourage...just realistic. We won't blow smoke up your ahhhhhh, chimney here. Better to hear it now than 6 weeks down the road when you have burned yourself out looking for a mentor.
 
If you can get in with a bank, feel lucky.

Getting in the door is the hardest part. Be persistent. :D
Don't get burned out in 6 weeks.
 
Yeah I agree that some of the posts can be discouraging, but the truth is that you will be as busy as you want to be as an appraiser.

It's up to you to market and advertise yourself to get clients. A lot of peopl here complain, but what are they really doing besides complaining.

I worked for a bank for 3 years and let me tell you in 10 years when they kind find some kid to work for half your salary; "Out with the old and in with the new".

In ten years you could have a successful apprisal company, established for 10 years, being self-employed and doing whatever you want in the world.

Keep the faith and don't give up on what you want in this world.

Thanks.
 
I know how you feel. I was so excited at first. I know appraisal is all I want to do. When I saw this forum I screamed with delight. And it has been helpful to me. There are some really great people on this board who have been very nice to me.
However I fear there is a large amount of seasoned appraisers who just don't like the idea of new people entering the field. I understand that competition isn't something everyone can handle.
Discouraging is an understatement. When I was still in school I actually brought a printed copy of a post from one person describing what any trainee must do to get a job. It included purchasing there own software and about ten other unbelievable requirements. My teacher laughed. Some other appraisers in the class told me not to worry it's not that bad. It is hard out there but sorry, what isn't. If you want somethhing bad enough and you work hard enough to get it you'll be fine.
There are some very smart friendly people on this forum, don't let the others bother you. The second time I posted something I recieved a very nice reply and then a sarcastic post from some twerp warning me to correct my spelling before I send any resume. NO, REALLY. :blink:
I also think that the area of the country you live in makes a difference in how many jobs that are available. It appears that in Mass you need to sleep with someone to get a job. But so far I have only heard encouraging things just north in New Hampshire. But what do I know I'm just a trainee / wanabe.
Good luck to you, don't give up.
 
Katharine....remember you came here for advice and information. Don't shoot the messenger! We really do try to give you solid advice. Don't be "thin-skinned" or you will be severely disappointed with this business. Wendy Boston is in the New Hampshire/Maine area and probably can give you information about that market.

In general, there are more trainees than there are jobs right now. The market is slowing due to interest rates trending upward. It will become more and more difficult for new people to find employment in the profession. This is fact, not sarcasm.
 
Thank you. I did not mean to shoot the messenger. Like I said there are some great people on this forum.
I do know that it is a bad time to get into appraisals. I don't mean to say that this fact should be ignored.
But don't you think I have a little point about the attitude some show? Spelling, please. I have been told that if I can't spell on this board I am not going to do well in the field. I am a very fast typer and sometimes I mess up. I don't think that means I can't do the job. All my soft ware has spell check anyway. And to say that it has something to do with my intellegence is absurd.
My father got his PHD from Harvard University in Physics. He was a lousy speller. It just seems like a cheep shot to try and discourage me. And I have seen other newbees treated that way too.
I wasn't going to say anything at all but when I saw that someone elce felt that way I just wanted them to know they are not alone.
 
Point accepted! Sorry someone gave you a hard time. Spelling is important as we are report writers. I am a lousey speller so I try to spell check everything.
 
Mike, I appreciate the patience you have with us newbies. I have little doubt that you are an honest appraiser. Your posts indicate that you have nothing to fear from any trainees. I suspect you have nothing to fear from seasoned appraisers, either.

I have seen a lot of bitterness on the part of people here and other places. I have been discouraged and undermined in my attempts at obtaining the knowledge I need to succeed. Fear seems to be the driving factor in this discouraging behavior. This is why I think as a group, appraisers eat their young! Nobody wants to be told things are going to be easy if they are not, but telling people to give it up is equally unreasonable, and self-serving for those who fear lowly trainees.

I have also been encouraged by people like you. You level with people without undermining them. Thanks for that!
 
Originally posted by Alex Peterson@Oct 30 2003, 10:01 AM
Fear seems to be the driving factor in this discouraging behavior. This is why I think as a group, appraisers eat their young! Nobody wants to be told things are going to be easy if they are not, but telling people to give it up is equally unreasonable, and self-serving for those who fear lowly trainees.
To all appraiser wannabe's:

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the education system for appraisers is where the true flaws are?

Would you have entered the field if you had been required from the start to take a full-time, non-paying trade school type of education (minimum two years) that, when completed, did not require finding a mentor to start your own appraisal business?

MOST who enter this field do so because they believe that they can make big money with minimal effort or costs in the form of education. MOST would not do so if the above mentioned education were required to enter the field.

Why do you think your classrooms were so full? Did you bother to ask your instructors or the school what the placement rates are for trainee graduates? If you did, what were you told? I'll wager that it wasn't an answer with numerical figures, but a instead a pep talk about perseverence and how much effort you put into it. That answer will be a half truth. Nobody keeps track of the hard numbers of those who actually succeed in finding mentors or eventually reach a license level that will allow them to be independant. Seasoned appraisers on this forum estimate that less than 10% will make it. Given the current slowdown in mortgage work, I think most would agree that 10% figure would be quite high. Not one single instructor or school has stepped forward to dispute or try to disprove those estimates yet, so I'm certain that they're accurate, if not generous.

Be honest with yourself.....is it the fault of the veteran appraisers if you found out after the fact that you decieved yourself or you dove into the field without researching it first?

Only when the trainees actually start working in the field do they start to figure out that the piddly 90+/- hours of initial education was merely the tip of the iceberg of what they need to learn to succeed in this business. Any misplaced hopes that the money would start pouring in is quickly obliterated. I have yet to see even one new trainee post on this forum who isn't clawing their way up the steep learning curve while trying to figure out how to make enough to cover their bills, unless of course they had a sizable financial cushion before they ever started or they're working for unethical supervisors that are profiting from volume and pay no heed to USPAP.
It's a wake up call to any who have preconcieved notions or unrealistic expectations about what they were getting into (which is the majority).

These wannabe's are the people that established appraisers have to choose from if they have enough time and work to educate and train them. These are the people that we must choose from who we must take full responsibility for, to the point of risking our own hard-earned licenses and/or livlihood if they are negligent or decieve us.

A lot of time and effort with no returns whatsoever is spent on the first six months or so of training, and it's all a waste if the trainee was fooling themselves about what they were getting into, or take short cuts by breeching ethics and guidelines to reach their financial goals sooner.

The responsibility has been laid at the experienced appraisers feet to figure out which potential trainees would have gone through that two-year minimum, non-paying trade school had it been offered, because that is the minimum level of dedication and commitment it takes to make a good, ethical appraiser. You know who your are, we don't.

I would advise every appraiser wannabe to take a very hard look at themselves and be honest about whether or not they could have or would have been willing to make such sacrifices if they had been required to from the beginning.
If not, then you probably should throw in the towell right now, because you're going to have to do it later if a good appraiser hires you. It won't take them too long to figure out what you're really made of.
If you would have, then you're going to have to find a way to prove it to every potential mentor you approach. Remember, at least 90% of the wannabe's who approach us are predestined failures, so you're going to have to overcome and outshine their shortcomings too.
 
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