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Taxes Vs. Health Reform

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So the GOP is all proud of their tax bill. So what!!!! I just found out what my health insurance premiums are going to be. We only have 1 insurer in my county. My insurance bill next year if I make 70,000 is 3600 per month! That’s 43,200 per year! Who gives a “rats behind” about tax reform! The real money is in health care reform. So what am I suppose to do now with those “tax cuts?”
 

Randolph Kinney

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Surprise! Well, not really. All of the problems of skyrocketing premiums, deductibles, copays and out of pocket limits were forecasted years in advance of today.

If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

PROMISE 1: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan.”

PROMISE 2: “I can make a firm pledge: under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase - not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." Not only did ObamaCare take $716 billion out of Medicare to help pay for the health law, it also created 18 new tax hikes to pull in $836.3 billion during the first 10 years.

PROMISE 3: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future.” Less than four years later, the Government Accountability Office announced ObamaCare would increase the federal deficit by $6.2 trillion over the next 75 years. While there are varying opinions on what Obamacare will ultimately do to the deficit, we do know that its massive spending is very unlikely to be offset by huge Medicare cuts that might never happen and unpopular taxes on the middle class.

PROMISE 4: “You should know that once we have fully implemented, you’re going to be able to buy insurance through a pool so that you can get the same good rates as a group that if you’re an employee at a big company you can get right now -- which means your premiums will go down."

PROMISE 5: “Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”

PROMISE 6: “The implementation of this is fabulous.”
 
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Surprise! Well, not really. All of the problems of skyrocketing premiums, deductibles, copays and out of pocket limits were forecasted years in advance of today.

If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

PROMISE 1: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan.”

PROMISE 2: “I can make a firm pledge: under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase - not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." Not only did ObamaCare take $716 billion out of Medicare to help pay for the health law, it also created 18 new tax hikes to pull in $836.3 billion during the first 10 years.

PROMISE 3: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future.” Less than four years later, the Government Accountability Office announced ObamaCare would increase the federal deficit by $6.2 trillion over the next 75 years. While there are varying opinions on what Obamacare will ultimately do to the deficit, we do know that its massive spending is very unlikely to be offset by huge Medicare cuts that might never happen and unpopular taxes on the middle class.

PROMISE 4: “You should know that once we have fully implemented, you’re going to be able to buy insurance through a pool so that you can get the same good rates as a group that if you’re an employee at a big company you can get right now -- which means your premiums will go down."

PROMISE 5: “Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”

PROMISE 6: “The implementation of this is fabulous.”

This is why everybody despises politicians. And this is also why government more often botches things up than makes things better.
 

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You should be glad health care reform didn't pass. It was just going to make it worse. There is a bill to fix the problems people are now facing, but Trump would rather see people suffer first so his plan can be more palatable! The bill to fix the problems has zero chance of passing.
 

Randolph Kinney

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A majority of the people who rely on the exchanges will be able to buy affordable health plans, thanks to the protections built into the law. About 80 percent of the people who sign up are expected to qualify for subsidies that will reduce the cost of insurance to $75 a month or less, according to government data. The law provides subsidies to single people who make up to $48,000 a year and families of four earning up to $98,000.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/opinion/obamacare-vs-the-saboteurs.html

NYT says no problem since 80% of people that will qualify for subsidies.

80 percent of HealthCare.gov enrollees will be able to purchase a plan for $75 or less per month.

Bloomberg says the same thing, $75.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-marketplace-premiums-affordable/
 

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I thought subsidies had to be appropriated by Congress?

Did I sleep through that part of Obamacare and miss when Congress did that?
 
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So the GOP is all proud of their tax bill. So what!!!! I just found out what my health insurance premiums are going to be. We only have 1 insurer in my county. My insurance bill next year if I make 70,000 is 3600 per month! That’s 43,200 per year! Who gives a “rats behind” about tax reform! The real money is in health care reform. So what am I suppose to do now with those “tax cuts?”

Let's pass this thing so we can find out what's in it....said an official that continues to be voted in by humans for humans.

And here we sit...with affordable health care. I wouldn't want any part of that Carter-esque legacy or association with that party.
 

Walter Kirk

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It should be obvious to all that the best way to reduce health insurance costs is to get the government out of the business.
What right does the federal government have to tell individuals what coverage they must have? What right does the federal government have to force citizens to buy a product? Comrade Obama foisted this socialist system on us. President Trump is in the unenviable position or righting the wrongs of Obama care.

If the federal government wants to improve the health care of its citizens it should increase the supply of doctors, nurses and medical technicians by providing more educational opportunities at reduced costs.
 
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