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Ray Miller

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Two questions,

I have noted in a lot of posting many are waiting for the turn around in the Residential Appraisal business. When do you think this will happen?? woohoo

The second question is; when do you think fees for residential work will be raised to a level where the residential appraisal business is treated the same as commercial work, equal pay for the amount of hours spent and to cover all business expenses and pay a decent fee? :huh:
 
Two questions,

I have noted in a lot of posting many are waiting for the turn around in the Residential Appraisal business. When do you think this will happen??
woohoo


Well... for those who either don't know how to get clients or who are stuck in large declining markets then it might be awhile. I'd like to think that clients who do loans or have loans in large declining markets would value a good residential appraisal but, so far, that opinion is not a majority amongst lenders/servicers/etc.

The second question is; when do you think fees for residential work will be raised to a level where the residential appraisal business is treated the same as commercial work, equal pay for the amount of hours spent and to cover all business expenses and pay a decent fee? :huh:

Once we've hit bottom and even skippy can't make a decent living... that's when it'll happen. You may want to try interviewing a local skippy and ask them. :new_snipersmilie:
 
This would have made a good poll

Ray, I may turn this into a poll.

I think 2010 late or 1st half of 2011 before prices start to go up. We will have to wait at least 10 years to see any kind of "refi boom" like we saw in the few years past. Rates were soooo low that most "stable" owners refi'd and got out of the market. They will never get back in except to move and buy a new house. It will take a lot of loans at 6.5 to 7.5+ % before anybody will want to refi at 6.0 or 5.5. And, of course, rates would need to bottom out like that again. I don't see that happening for while...maybe 2019 or 2020.

Skippy will either be a memory by that time, or we will.
 
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Two questions,

I have noted in a lot of posting many are waiting for the turn around in the Residential Appraisal business. When do you think this will happen?? woohoo

The second question is; when do you think fees for residential work will be raised to a level where the residential appraisal business is treated the same as commercial work, equal pay for the amount of hours spent and to cover all business expenses and pay a decent fee? :huh:


Question 1: 2010 - 2015
Question 2: Never
 
#1 - In the good markets things are running quite smoothly with barely a hiccup in activity. My home town has shed about five appraisers, me included, which makes the cut of the pie bigger for those the state board isn't interested in. Long term it appears the residential business will be just for form fillers, the state board isn't really interested in going after REALTORS doing BPO work and providing and opinion of value for all reasons, not just to garner a listing. I don't hold out much hope for strictly residential appraisers.

#2 - Probably never, see comment #1
 
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Well... for those who either don't know how to get clients or who are stuck in large declining markets then it might be awhile. I'd like to think that clients who do loans or have loans in large declining markets would value a good residential appraisal but, so far, that opinion is not a majority amongst lenders/servicers/etc.



Once we've hit bottom and even skippy can't make a decent living... that's when it'll happen. You may want to try interviewing a local skippy and ask them. :new_snipersmilie:


I would have to agree with Ed on both questions. In terms of what is most familiar to you, Ray, is that "The Herd Must be Thinned" in order to get higher prices for our work.
 
This Fannie/Freddie bill may give a boost to residential business. Even though I don't agree with the concept of a bailout, I'm in favor of the increased business.

As far as the fees are concerned, they won't change much. Some lenders will try to exert for downward pressure, but most will say "collect your fee at the door". As an appraiser, you've got to find ways to streamline your costs (gas, software, office supplies) and cut down the time spent on reports while still turning out a credible opinion of value.

Otherwise....practice the following phrase..."Would you like fries with that?"
 
I would have to agree with Ed on both questions. In terms of what is most familiar to you, Ray, is that "The Herd Must be Thinned" in order to get higher prices for our work.

1.) Yep, exactly right, this market will indeed substantially "thin the herd", that will weed out Skippy Appraisers, Mom Realtor's, Shaky MB's, Shoddy Builders, Get Rich Quick Flippers, Saturation of "Blue Sky" Appraisal Course Providers, etc, etc.. So, "Only the Strong Survive"; those that didn't over extend when times were good.

Unless you have long time well established ties with strong lenders or banks (assuming your primary source of business is mortgage appraisals), it will likely be a rocky road for appraisers in the near future. But, after this storm blows thru in a few years, then I believe real estate markets will stabilize, demand will rekindle, and if (BIG IF) interest rates stay low, the "Survivors" should prosper. (Assuming of course, the Government doesn't somehow radically change all the lending rules!).

2.) RAISE YOUR FEES NOW! It's the perfect climate. Can you continue to eat everyone else's price increases? Will the extra bump cause you to lose business from those good clients? I doubt it, they should by now be getting used to higher costs---We Appraiser's sure are! I didn't lose a single client (or order that I know of) with just a simple explanation as to why I had to raise fees (due to increased travel costs, etc.).

Before, I always operated on the theory that my client's appraisal fees were based on: "Volume Speaks Volumes" and charged accordingly. But now, since good volume is a thing of the past for most everyone, that philosophy is now N/A! (Besides, an appraisal fee is not likely going to cost a LO to lose the deal!).

Any Discounts? OK, Sure maybe $25-$50.

If requested-
1.) Subject Previous Appraisal in Files (within 5 Years). Won't have to remeasure if no additions and usually can import most of old file. -$25.00 discount.

2.) COD (or CAD-Cash or Check At Door). Cash Flow, plus no screwing around waiting or collecting. -$25 discount (or if really pressed, maybe -$50).

3.) -$50 discount for Seasoned Citizens (over 62), or for all Veterans (if informed in advance or requested at inspection).
 
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