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Unpaid Trainee, almost have my license .. now what?

Mark K

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But devil's advocate....
No one forces someone else into this type of arrangement....
True, no one forces them into this arrangement, but its illegal to work as an employee for free, exceptions are for a non-profit volunteer positions.

The OP's work-for-free arrangement in order to get a license is essentially the same as indentured servitude, also illegal.
 

Honeygiggle

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Hi - I just had a baby a couple weeks ago so have been preoccupied. Also why not being paid has been a pain. Anyways - I just got approved by the state to take my test and that is the next step. Woohoo.

As far as my situation - no it’s not ideal and partially my fault. But I was far enough into my license I didn’t feel I had another option but to keep going and hope that I can use this career to my benefit. My mentor is making thousands of dollars a month and “could not afford to pay me”

that being said - THANK YOU for the positive advice and words. After I pass my test, I will be trying to get. Hustle and get out there. Apply for all the AMCs. Again thank you for advice. It has been extremely helpful.
 

ramrcdk

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North Carolina
AMCs : posts here including mine send you into the Lion's Den of being captured by AMC work. As quickly as you can find other SOW from local banks, credit unions, etc. with diversity .
Easier said than done where in market areas the AMC is the Dominate Lion. Congrats to the new one & Good Luck!!!
 

FL Man

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With as hard as it seems to get a mentor being paid minimum wage dosen't seem that crazy. Reminds me of a couple unpaid internships I did in college.
 

Bill75

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Hi - I just had a baby a couple weeks ago so have been preoccupied. Also why not being paid has been a pain. Anyways - I just got approved by the state to take my test and that is the next step. Woohoo.

As far as my situation - no it’s not ideal and partially my fault. But I was far enough into my license I didn’t feel I had another option but to keep going and hope that I can use this career to my benefit. My mentor is making thousands of dollars a month and “could not afford to pay me”

that being said - THANK YOU for the positive advice and words. After I pass my test, I will be trying to get. Hustle and get out there. Apply for all the AMCs. Again thank you for advice. It has been extremely helpful.
I have two trainees and I pay them per report and extra if they drive me to inspections and pay for lunch as well. Kind of my own personal Uber. I was in the same boat, but was getting paid very little. I didn't let my boss know I was taking the Certified Res exam and as soon as I had passed, I had leverage to increase my fee. They could only increase my fee split to 50% and I said sorry, I was doing every aspect in the appraisal process and I couldn't afford that, so and started on my own business in 2016. That decision increased my earnings 4x through 2016. I signed up with every AMC and they all said you had to be licensed or certified for a minimum of three years, but that did not stop them form giving me orders. So with my experience, I would take the test, ask for an increase, if they don't budge, go off on your own.
 

schlik

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I signed up with every AMC and they all said you had to be licensed or certified for a minimum of three years, but that did not stop them form giving me orders. So with my experience, I would take the test, ask for an increase, if they don't budge, go off on your own.
How did you get orders if you didn't have the minimum three years? Did you just fill out the paperwork to get on their board?
 

Bill75

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How did you get orders if you didn't have the minimum three years? Did you just fill out the paperwork to get on their board?
Yeah, I will have to say the first three months I did undercut the competition and get reports out in three days, then it got just too busy so I raised my fees and have never looked back. I did lose some clients, but they were not worth working for anyways. Any AMC will give you a shot, Certified is Certified to them and as long as you do a honest job and you're either cheaper or quicker, you will be fine. Be careful though, I'm a broker as well so I had a lot of direct lenders I knew and they all wanted me to be their "Yes" man and get things to go through. I soon realized I was being given the crap orders. I would travel to those ones where others did not dare and soon I was doing four figure deals regularly. Pick a niche and stay with it. Don't let any mortgage broker/lender tell you how to do your job and what comps to pick, it's your license. Luckily I learned that the beginning of my career.
 

Baja

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Hi, I just became a member of the forum. I'm sorry you are going through this. Thank you for sharing.
I do not have a mentor yet but have been calling and had an appraiser call me back yesterday saying she couldn't pay me while training me. Said it was like I went up to the college and asked them to pay me while I went to school there. I've never been good at holding my tongue but immediately thought of this post and just smiled and moved on.

Thank you everyone.
 

bnmappraisal

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Florida
I do not have a mentor yet but have been calling and had an appraiser call me back yesterday saying she couldn't pay me while training me. Said it was like I went up to the college and asked them to pay me while I went to school there.
Wow! Sorry to hear that. That's a pretty dumb comparison in my opinion. Sounds like she wouldn't have been a good supervisor anyway then
 

Mike Kennedy

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Certified Residential Appraiser
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New York
Sorry BUT WHY add that to the list..."we are independent contractors & so is the POS ", ... LABOR BOARD ...for what? OR ..do that & tell us the outcome, so we will learn something.

Any way... LOTS of good advice posted.
Also can try to get a JOB with the tax dept locally. Credit Unions. YES a 1000 times to ...another Mentor. Multiple reasons...different experience on HOW to appraise, learn how to CYA, & potential work.
To say: I had it easy. My first job was with the most popular appraiser in town, so I did not have to find work, just pick a few addresses off of the Wall Map each morning.
When I went ON my own, I brought clients with... AND got more by not graveling BUT saying I had work for this & that & looking to add 1 more client, then 1 more, then... Saying this because it WAS a different TIME in this ...POS career as it is now.
The AMCs that will offer you work will likely be those "bottom feeder" AMCs like Proteck, imortgage or streetlinks which GOES by a different name like I think, not sure through
Assurant or XHome. Typical offer: $250 or less for pages of scope & STIPS afterwards. ***"Always, attention to detail with the specific instructions WILL eliminate after STIPS." Also remember, after delivery requests: typo' or error ... not a laundry lists of stuff they forgot to request UPfront.
GO to the boards WEB Site & get names of AMCs ...IF they must be "licensed" in your State. GO to Mercury-Alamode-corelogic & sign Up. SIGN UP everywhere!
DO you have your OWN software, E&O...???? I use J A Price Agency, a broker for E&O and for many years they have kept premiums LOW considering $$$ for a million, less than $700 a year and retro back to the 90's, so Navigators is what I have.
Call your local college IF they teach appraisal classes, talk to the instructor who is likely an appraiser. You have a sad story to tell, perhaps a kindness can come your way!
"we are independent contractors - IF the poster's "supervisory" duhpraiser is the ONLY one she has - she would not meet the requirement for an Independent Contractor in NY State and likely not in HER state either. Absent any other Supervisor Appraisers- she is an Employee. She definitely needs to talk with her State - NOW, while searching for other True Mentor/Appraisers.
 
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