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Why are appraisers punished for the property they are assigned?

I just got this rejection. The subject is a new 100% completed home in a pud development. It has a bonus room, a bed and a bath on the second floor. Typical 1.5 story cottage home. Normal home. No functional issues. Tract home. I also included the permit in the original report.


Revision Request:

Lender Request:

Appraiser to please confirm if the bonus room is permitted and that there is no safety issue.


All revision changes in the report should be listed in a dated addendum. Please upload the revised report as soon as possible. Please update the date of the report before re-submitting since, per USPAP, the signature date of the report should be the date the report is completed and transmitted to the client.
Ridiculous request, but one that should be able to be answered quickly. Hopefully via phone (Hey it's already stated on page XX) but if not via a couple stupid, redundant sentences, in the report. Total stupidity, IMO, and I get your frustration, but hopefully answered quickly
 
You should see the AMC and lender platforms from the other side. I have. They click appraisers away without a thought, all day, all night. Your star and other score ratings are not self contained to only one client like presumed. When working with AMC's, the blacklist effect is exponentialized across a broad spectrum of lenders whom also work with that AMC. A review of AMC networking with wholesale lenders reveals there is near total integration, how most lenders are currently or were in the past, networked with most AMC's out there. Additionally the tech tools are all coded in the lenders favor, they have every possible metric to consider you can imagine, including the most basic offenses such as always assign to the lowest fee appraiser. Meanwhile they purposefully do not allow appraisers any meaningful metrics such as how many other appraisers a request may have been sent to, what the borrowers fee was, if appraisers have availability, fair balance of over all order volume, the same old routine.

Not very much to worry about with old reports due to this historical low rate rush which captured the industry several years ago. You can safely presume that the vast majority of everything from the past was nullified by refinancing or sale efforts in the past five or six years. It's the volume based appraisers whom worked hard during the rush whom have the most to worry about now. They have no idea how much blowback might just come at them in the next few years.

What should get you worried is the incredible nature of ongoing predatory activity by lenders whom on one hand knowingly stack out risk with extremely delinquent borrowers, refinancing them without appraisers, without mb's, and without updated qualifications, at 115% LTV's with a maximum 1% rate cape increase, either writing down or tacking everything on the back end and resetting the loan term (customers for life!). This is how they keep the default and REO to absurdly low levels of less than one percent, despite the serious delinquency rate at 11% or higher. While on the other hand continuing to push fresh loans out there knowing that there is no legitimate price discovery and if honest market principals were to once again take hold, we'd all quickly learn the entire nations housing supply is overvalued at least a tenth, if not a fifth or more of the total 'current value'. The entire housing market is propped up as first purchase opportunities go to the investor class at pennies on the dollar, whom are not subjected to similar market conditions as regular buying/refinancing/renting citizens. Everything from rental to condo to average sf's, to jumbo, and especially manufactured, overvaluation across the board. This ties into the appraiser racism argument, as they needed someone to blame for this purposful with holding of 'generational wealth'. The policies which deny people affordable housing and keep people locked into upside down positions, while concealing their honest price discovery from them, those policies come right from the top. FHFA is now the new ring leader of this fraud.


The real reason you get these stipulations is because of the unknowable (to you) nature of borrower qualification. When they're poorly qualified, the lending package is shored up with additional appraisal scrutiny. Because in those scenarios automatic underwriting approval is not permissible and is always sent for manual review. Then the UW is challenged on a quota based system to find something, anything, regardless if it's valid or not. This creates the situation where if liability occurs, there is a paper trail leading to the appraisers inadequate performance to dump that on your insurance. The grading system confirms this alleged fact regarding both your competency and performance. Where as with better qualified borrowers, they pass through without much ado. Not to fear, with the updated expansion of the waiver program that's all you be seeing if you're dealing with origination work; poorly qualified high risk borrowers with maximum loan leverage. As if the current situation of everything under 80% LTV being waved through was not bad enough. You ain't seen nothing yet.

If you're going to keep working, in this age of extra ordinary data cancer brought about by waivers, you should at least have read the FRB's final rule on AVM's.

Some of the comments were really something else, to say the least. Sadly this one went under the radar and very few did anything to stop this. I don't recall seeing any of your guys's or gal's name on those comment boards. And only a rare few of you participated in the comments about the algorythm.


You know the difference between this site and the appraisers blogs? Regulators and policy makers actually read and subscribe to that website. There is so much noise here which is why if you want to make a difference, to need to take the time to chime in over there as well. The lady whom runs that used to spend over $700 a month out of her own pocket for many years to keep that site going and secure, constantly subjected to many technical issues as she refused to capitulate to censorship from industry interests. This site is fun and has value but when it comes to making a real difference, there is no comparison between the forum and the blogs. There is a clear winner in terms of driving policy and bringing the issues with the appraisal industry to the publics attention. Sadly the AF lost it's primary ability to be a voice for the appraiser community at the exact same time the GBU thread was placed behind a login wall. I'm not faulting the admin/owner, because certainly those were trying times and tough choices had to be made. But I am calling on the regulars here with a question; If you honestly believe in saving this industry, why don't you post there more, and write articles for that website to make a real difference? You can write articles anonymously, or attribute directly. You don't need FB accounts to participate, although the site is linked in to both FB and LnkdIn. Admin does at time pay for article advertisements to get some of them out there with a much broader reach. The view counts per article are really tremendous lately, although you would not know that just by open posting volumes, as most just lurk and read, but do not post. This is the final hours of this industry, so you know, if you actually cared about those of us whom are left here with not many other options except to right this ship or go down with it.
 

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Per the above image attachments. What you're seeing is the tech platforms data on individual lender and/or AMC clients, alongside license active and inactive tracking, as well as total approved appraisers and total disabled (blacklisted) appraisers. Total active is likely higher due to multi state licensing, and the myriad of upgrade down grade events although I never really figured that out.

What is obvious is the ratio of blacklisted appraisers vs ratio of currently approved appraisers. Simply divide the 'appraiser' number, by the 'disabled' number. And this is only two lenders which I luckily acquired data for through round about process. Can you imagine what an actual honest audit of the entirety of scope, mercury, ap, the others, and AMC's proprietary systems would reveal?

Getting the picture yet? The distribution platforms facilitated the fraud by integrating what used to be illegal process into every day activity. Remember the HVCC rule that if an appraiser was removed from panel, they had to be notified in writing? Remember the online blacklists appraisers would discover which would put lenders in hot water whenever they had a tech slip up or those lists landed in an appraisers hand? Did you read the article from a few years back where an appraiser successfully sued an AMC and a lender for being removed from their approval lists after ten years of service?

You've got to understand that just because we're isolated in this bubble inside the lending world, that constitutional rights and other labor rights issues do still apply to us. How the industry treats appraisers is criminal, and they can be held liable if these abhorent processes which are tolerated nowhere else, are brought to light in this industry to a broader public arena.

Or do nothing and watch it all slip away. You might think twice about that decision though if you ever need to roll through mortgage lending systems again, or your kids, or your grandkids, or their children, and their children... When you lose certain liberties they may be impossible to get back. Checks and balances is a cornerstone of American home ownership. Financial fairness is a cornerstone of a capitalistic model. Stakeholder capitalism is socialism by another name. These equitable modernization programs are criminal. Hamp nailed it with his latest video, share that. Get with the program people and do better before this precious time left runs out. Write articles for the Appraisers blogs website immediately. Scrape content and data from this site if you need to. Everything you need to make a real difference is right in front of you. Make them count. Expect tens of thousands of people to read them, including regulators, legal teams, and general opposition whom continues to purposefully destroy this industry.

Post your links on Bagotts twitter feed. Network better. Ignore the appraisers websites whom are just self serving their own clients interests, those are a dime a dozen. There is Cummings, S Miller, WorkingRE, Bagott and the Blogs. O'Rourke fell off. CRN network and Trice are on the side of REVAA. The rest of us are on our own. Forgive me if I missed a few. There are a lot but for the most part, they're self serving or not doing anything important. If you want to make a difference, use your pen in places people outside of this industry will actually read the content. Your voices matter but if you spend all your time at this website and nowhere else, nobody else is listening. I just calculated the 'top 10 posters' total posts tally for this month alone. The total amount of posts was 4,953. Despite those perhaps being shorter, there was enough human energy expended to have accomplished much more than just continuing on with this site alone. Prove that you guys and gals are really as good as you say you are. Let me see your articles posted on the appraisers blogs website. Focus on the issues to save the appraisal industry. If you need any assistance with the admin just pm me, we're all friends.
 
Dang. How do you know all of this?

I told Solodifi to f off 8 years ago...maybe that's why I do not get any AMC work? LOL.
 
Then the UW is challenged on a quota based system to find something, anything, regardless if it's valid or not.
You bring up a very interesting post.

I see my competition appraisals every once and awhile for the same lender. I go through it and see so many areas that my Report gets rejected for. I always thought to myself, how do they get away with it and not get rejections?

My theory was that I come in low....they are number hitters.

I had a review appraiser at a large regional bank tell me that basically if it meets value without looking like fraud, it passes with little to no rejections. She even said that the appraisals were terrible and I asked why they still used them....take a wild guess as to why?


This is the same bank that got busted by the feds in 2008.



One of the things about waivers is the potential fraud that can take place and it removes us from knowing about the ins and out of a transaction. Sad.

We are the cops. There's a speed limit posted and a cop maybe around the corner with a radar. This keeps the speeders and law abiding citizens in check.

If you remove the cops and just keep up the speed limit sign what is going to happen? Drivers are going to speed. That is the issue the GSEs are missing (don't care).

Avms are the speed limit sign, with no cops.
 
On one of the other forums, a nexa mortgage broker stated "just order another appraisal, easy peasy".

I always assumed the uw or lo would find something wrong with the low appraisal to justify a new appraisal? How easy is it for lenders to appraisal shop til one comes in at value?
 
On one of the other forums, a nexa mortgage broker stated "just order another appraisal, easy peasy".

I always assumed the uw or lo would find something wrong with the low appraisal to justify a new appraisal? How easy is it for lenders to appraisal shop til one comes in at value?
Must be easy. Several times, I have received requests for quotes to appraise the same property I had just delivered an appraisal on. Same day.
 
I was never a VA appraiser. I was just talking to a buyer that is going through VA and the appraiser called out a tiny crack on a window that the inspector didn't even catch. Is that kind of inspection typical of VA appraisers???
 
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