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RNMOVR

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Looking to upgrade my prehistoric copy of pocket sketch on my my pda (please hold your laughter till the end of the post). Would like to run it on my samsung note 2 but I have been told its not compatible. Does anyone know if a workaround like rooting to get it to work. If it makes a difference I dont use the note 2 as a cell anymore. If not would a samsung galaxy media player 5 be compatible? http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/YP-G70CWY/XAA

Or the samsung media player 5.8. Ive looked at the tab 7 and its just too big. Thanks in advance...
 
I can only think of two programs you might be describing, and both were written for a completely different OS, so I don't think you can run that program on your GalNote. The best advice I can give you is to run MobileSketch for Android. If you want to get that, I'll speak with Brian about making sure you have what you need if you want to read those sketches into Apex v5. Just PM him to have him help you out.

MSA is a far better program than our old Pocket PC programs. Here is a link to an old video: Apex MobileSketchâ„¢ for Android - YouTube


-Randall Garrett
+Apex Software+

/end/
 
Randall,

I'm currently running MobileSketch version 2.8.180.0 on an HTC Tilt 2. I was being sarcastic about the PDA. However, I want to say its the same software I ran on my PDA 10 years ago. Let me clarify and expand on my question. I would like to run Mobile Sketch for Android on my Samsung Note2 but the google play store states it is not compatible with mobile/cell devices. Is there a way that I can make it work on that device. The note 2 was my previous phone and I do not use it any longer. So would rooting it or flashing a different ROM like one off of a not cellular device work. I'm not really up to speed on either of those options, so excuse me if they don't make any sense.

The second part of my question is would MobileSketch for Android be compatible on a Samsung Galaxy Media Player 5. This is essentially a note without the cellular features. I do not have one to check the google play store and they are discontinued so none of the local retailers have one that I can check compatibility. However, they are readily available on ebay. I would simply go buy a Galaxy Tab 7" but they are simply too big for my preference to use in the field. I would prefer something around 4-5". If not, do you have any other recommendations for a device smaller than 7"? I talked to Eric in sales and he will get me fixed up in upgrading from Medina to V5 after I can make a decision on a device. Thanks again...
 
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RNMOVR,

Brian here, You MAY be able to root the phone to allow you to install "non compatible" apps but you will run into scaling problems. Mobilesketch android (MSA) was designed for a 7" or larger device, anything smaller tends to "cut off" the bottom of the command pad making the app non-useable at times in my experience. A 7" device would be the smallest device recomended for use with Mobilesketch.

Hope this helps,

Brian Marino
Sr. Tech
Apex Software
 
FWIW, when we were writing MSA, I ran the pre-release builds on my original Galaxy Note. I found the UI elements were a bit too small for my liking and we ended up compiling the app for just tablets, meaning if the OS identifies it as a phone, it won't run. This was mainly just a "support" thing as we didn't want people calling in with issues on their 3.5" Android phones ;-) The Note 2 and Note 3 have better display resolutions, and one might think that they would do a better job than my old original Note. Android, though, doesn't deal with resolution the same way as PCs - they sort of break it into "small, medium, large, extra large", etc. and add in a DPI item. (This is a very basic explanation, so don't take me literally.) Bottom line is that we haven't tried a final build MSA on a GNote 2 or 3, so I don't really know exactly how it would look. I suspect, however, that if the OS identifies it as a pad/tablet rather than a phone, it would run. Again, the UI elements might be a bit small for the average "appraiser fat fingers" ;-) but then the Note series has a pen you can use as a stylus if need be.

(I know, I know, I know - you said 7" is too big. I wonder if you are looking at older, chunkier 7" devices vs. the newer slimmer ones, so please read & consider the following. I'm not trying to sell you anything - just trying to help you find something that will work with the least amount of hassle for you.)

I agree with Brian on the 7" form factor being about the minimum, but "back in the day", the next size down was 5", not the newer ones with 5.3", 5.5" and now 6" on some devices. The percentage gain from 5" to 5.5" is 10% so that might be just enough to make things work. My guess is, though, the closer you get to 6", the better.

Have you "fondled a Nexus 7 (2013) yet? If not, I recommend you at least try it. The "side bezels" are thin enough to make it not too unwieldy for one-handed operation and it will easily fit in a jeans or jacket pocket - a very handy thing when in the midst of clamoring over fences, through bushes, etc. Additionally, it has (for our purposes) one of the best "outdoor" screens (bright, high contrast, etc.) The screen isn't actually a proper "outdoor screen" but in the consumer class, high brightness combined with high contrast makes for a display that is easier to use in sunny conditions. Add a DayVue anti-glare (not matte, BTW) screen protector and you've got something almost as good as a Nokia ClearBlack display (i.e. 2520) or Kindle Fire HDX. Another advantage of the Nexus 7 (2013 model) is that they are cheap and it is even pretty eay to find used or refurbished units for even less. I recommend getting the most internal storage memory you can since it just adds a percentage point or two to double the storage space - one of the things I don't like about the Nexus 7 is that you cannot add a microSD card, so you are stuck with whatever the unit comes with. That said, unless you are storing a lot of music or (even "worse") video, 16 GB is plenty. I see them on Amazon today for $219 - $235 new (and $179 - $219 from affiliates) for the 16 GB and 32 GB models. Used ones are $125 - $160. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...7,aps&rh=i:aps,k:nexus 7&tag=realestatappraat

If you like Samsung tablets, the newer Tabs also have slim side bezels. In all but very bright sun, I've found the Samsung displays to work well enough. Again, I highly recommend a DayVue anti-glare screen protector if brigh sun & glare is a problem in your area. I've found a screen resolution of 1280 x 800 to work just fine and be quite legible all the way up to 10". On smaller devices, that resolution appears even better. For our sketching purposes, extra money spent on super high resolutions (especially on smaller screens is largely just wasted money (and battery.) I love high resolution screens and use them myself, but honestly, you don't need "Retina" for sketching (and even most other data gathering activities.)

I'd recommend at least stopping by a local retailer and fondling a Nexus 7, a newer GalTab 7 before "writing off" this class of device. At my age (nearly 60 now), I lean more toward the slim 8" devices as my personal minimum size, but YMMV on that. I have also run another (unreleased) app on a 6" phone and it works great, but that is s different device, different program - with MSA, we're talking about a 2+ year old program, written for (app-wise) "a different era."

I mean all the foregoing to help, not frustrate or confuse...


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

/end/
 
Brian,
Thanks That is what I was needing to know.
 
FWIW, when we were writing MSA, I ran the pre-release builds on my original Galaxy Note. I found the UI elements were a bit too small for my liking and we ended up compiling the app for just tablets, meaning if the OS identifies it as a phone, it won't run. This was mainly just a "support" thing as we didn't want people calling in with issues on their 3.5" Android phones ;-) The Note 2 and Note 3 have better display resolutions, and one might think that they would do a better job than my old original Note. Android, though, doesn't deal with resolution the same way as PCs - they sort of break it into "small, medium, large, extra large", etc. and add in a DPI item. (This is a very basic explanation, so don't take me literally.) Bottom line is that we haven't tried a final build MSA on a GNote 2 or 3, so I don't really know exactly how it would look. I suspect, however, that if the OS identifies it as a pad/tablet rather than a phone, it would run. Again, the UI elements might be a bit small for the average "appraiser fat fingers" ;-) but then the Note series has a pen you can use as a stylus if need be.

I agree with Brian on the 7" form factor being about the minimum, but "back in the day", the next size down was 5", not the newer ones with 5.3", 5.5" and now 6" on some devices. The percentage gain from 5" to 5.5" is 10% so that might be just enough to make things work. My guess is, though, the closer you get to 6", the better.





-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

/end/

"So your saying there's a chance". Lets see how far down this rabbit hole we can go. Since I have a note2 that is not being currently used, how hard would it be to do a little experimenting? Keep in mind I have been using an HTC Tilt 2 with a 3.6" screen and stylus for the last 4 or 5 years. So the UI being smaller than preferred may be an upgrade for me. Let me know if your up to tinkering with this and seeing if it will work. I and other appraisers would be sold on all in one device. "One device to rule them all" kind of thing. Answer calls, get cussed by clients, sketch a house, run Supra E-key.
As for the Nexus and other 7" tablets, I will revisit my local BestBuy and spend a lil more time with them and revaluate my stance on the 7". I wanted to see if it would fit in my back pocket but I didn't know how that would look in the middle of BestBuy...
 
RNMOVR,

Sorry for the delay in replying. Ha ha, I like the way you started out, assuming I "got" your reference ;-)

Seriously, yes - there is a chance :-) I like to try non-routine experiments like this from time-to-time - we always learn something. I've run into two snags - the special apk I requested still hasn't been delivered (that's an issue for Wayne and I to speak about, LOL) and despite scouring the office, we cannot find my old Galaxy Note 1 for testing when I do get it (and I will, LOL.) I don't really feel like going out and buying a new one - if I did, I'd get the Note 3 but its tough for me to pull that trigger since I am convinced we'll see a Galaxy Note 4 in a month or so. I may just search on eBay or similar sources for a used Galaxy Note 2 for now...

[Edit 2] - Got a test build overnight. I will give it a quick once-over and get with Brian for more testing and see about doing an update to MSA

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On another, semi-related note, I picked up a Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 today to test whether its current crown of "best display ever" really translates over to it being more useful for appraiser/inspector types out in the field. I chose the brown/gold variant simply because I liked the way it looked. I normally recommend the white ones because of the reflectivity issues I mentioned earlier and a white device makes for a better DISTO target when you need something. This is a personal statement, not a professional one, but FWIW, I really like the brown/gold - it simply looks "classy" to me. The official Samsung "Book" cover is a sort of silvery-brown and looks really nice - too nice for my normal "boots & jeans" attire, and more like something a gentleman or lady might carry. Very nice.

My initial observations are that the screen is, indeed, an improvement over other models. It is very vibrant (not just overly "punchy" to the point of images bordering on "cartoonish") in normal conditions ranging from indoors to "under the eaves" indirect outdoor light. Even in direct sun like is routine here in South Texas, it works better than any other non-mil-spec industrial outdoor screen. Strangely enough (but welcomed!), I get the best results by leaving it in "auto-bright/dim" mode vs. manual and max brightness. A display professional I know claims that the "auto" setting actually ramps higher than manual settings allow. As I said, he is a true display professional and has some very sophisticated equipment at his company - he knows his stuff. I am truly surprised that a company made a device where a setting like this actually works for such a wide array of users! Bravo Samsung! I can hardly wait to see if an anti-glare screen protector makes any discernable difference. I'll ley you folks know once I perform this test. I'll be traveling near the equator in late July, so I'll get a chance to test it in a variety of really bright conditions.

I'm also finding that at 8.4" it is almost too large for my (admittedly small-for-a-6'-tall man) hands. Something just a tad smaller would work better for ME, but I suspect that most males here would not have an issue with it.

The screen resolution is high (2,560 x 1,200) so the ppi is outstanding, but again, at this size and for what 99.9% of what you folks do, it's more of an overkill thing than being something easily defended as a need. It gives Samsung bragging rights for being "more retina than Apple" but I don't think that really matters. I'd be happy enough with 1,920 x 1,200 if it meant the screen would be any brighter. Of course, in this case, it's not an LCD, but a SAMOLED screen so pixel density doesn't really effect the brightness like happens with LCD screens... The pixel density on this device makes the buttons on the old, standard version of MSA seem a little small to me, so I'll see about yet another code tweak to see if we can get it to auto-adjust, or I may just give up chasing this aspect and institute a manual (small, medium, large) setting and let folks adjust to their tastes. I suspect it'll run and look just fine on the 10.5" version, which in the 10" class may just end up being the one I recommend for most people who like that size vs. the 7" - 8" class devices.

The device is incredibly thin and light - I really like that. For "specs geeks", it is 0.26" thin and weighs 10.4 oz. or 0.65 lb. (For reference, iPad mini is 0.3" and 11.7 oz. or .73 lb.) The device is running Android 4.4.2 and all the GUI elements in MSA are operating properly. I am happy to report that the menu functions in this Samsung are more "standard" - some earlier Samsungs used the center button to invoke the menu, causing some confusion with some users even though that was "standard" behavior for the models. I have not had it long enough to use it in enough scenarios to test real works battery life, but in the limited tests, it looks to easily be an "all day" device, likely two...

[Edit] - Added a few quick pictures below. Again, not pro shots - used my cell phone.
  • Pict 1 is a size comparison in Landscape mode. Top item is a Kindle Fire 8.9" HDX, the middle is the Galaxy Tab S 8.4" and the bottom unit is an ASUS 7"
  • Pict 2 is a Portrait shot of the Galaxy Tab 8.4" above the ASUS 7". You can see that because of the reduction in side besels, it is not much wider than last year's 7" Android Tablet (and that model had thinner bezels than the previous models.)
  • Pict 3 is an outdoor shot in my hand. The day was bright but a little overcast - brighter than when you are under the eaves in bright glaring sun. I'll shoot a "direct sun" shot soon.

Hope this helps for now. Let me know if you have any questions.


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

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FWIW,

Lisa Gade of MobiteTechReview has put up a review of the Samsung Galaxy Tab S here: http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tablets/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-S.htm

There is an embedded video in the article or you can go straight to the YouTube video here: Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 Review - YouTube

Most of here comments match up with my own experiences, having owned mine for about a month now. Of particular note is the pretty much across-the-board praise for the display, which is phenomenal. Being a SAMOLED, it is plenty punchy with top class contrast, but with this newest iteration of SAMOLED, they also achieved superior color accuracy which is a rare combination.

Hope this is of interest to potential Android users! Let me know if there are any aspects you'd like for me to check out.


-Randall Garrett-
+Apex Software+

/end/
 
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