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Using Subject Prior Sale as a Comp

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LO's 2nd email on 3/4/2008

Rob, Bottom line: the fee is not contingent on the loan closing, but it is contingent on providing an appraisal that does not violate procedure.
Your point 1.): I have spoken with all of my appraisers, the Underwriter who killed the deal and the Chief Appraiser at another lender. While using the subject as a comp is not illegal it violates procedure and is unacceptable.

I spent a lot of time investigating this because I wanted to be absolutely fair.

Respectfully,
XXXX
 
My 2nd Reply on 3/6/2008

Rudy,

I appreciate your difficult situation, thank you for your fairness.

Please forward the Underwriter's conditions and/or rejection of the appraisal, I would like an opportunity to address their concerns since there is so little data available from the neighborhood. Since there are only 3 sales in the past 13 months (of which the subject is one), and since it is such an exclusive neighborhood (not like anything else nearby) I don't see how I've got much in the way of options in regards to providing similar comps without using the prior sale of the subject property. Typically, with Fannie, they would prefer to see it (if needed) in the 4th, or higher, comp position - I just don't have this luxury in this case...which is why I have also included the two comparable listings. Also, the subject is 4200 Sq.Ft. where the comps range from 3,000 - 3,300 Sq.Ft., which is another reason I believe it is 100% appropriate to use the prior sale of the subject.

This would be much easier, of coarse, if we had good/plentiful data.

Sincerely,
Rob Lentz
 
LO's 3rd email on 3/6/3008

Sorry Rob, that boat has sailed and the loan is dead.
 
Rob, if your agreed upon SOW with the client required you to prepare the appraisal based on Fannie's guidelines, then it was not acceptable.
 
Rob, Bottom line: the fee is not contingent on the loan closing, but it is contingent on providing an appraisal that does not violate procedure.
Your point 1.): I have spoken with all of my appraisers, the Underwriter who killed the deal and the Chief Appraiser at another lender. While using the subject as a comp is not illegal it violates procedure and is unacceptable.

I spent a lot of time investigating this because I wanted to be absolutely fair.

Respectfully,
XXXX

The above, in red, is not a true statement. I sincerely doubt all of "my appraisers" said that. Stupid UWer and brainwashed "Chief Appraiser," both of which will remain nameless and out of all communication with Mr. Lentz, are biased.

Webbed.
 
Rob, if your agreed upon SOW with the client required you to prepare the appraisal based on Fannie's guidelines, then it was not acceptable.

Mr. Rex,

I don't normally counterpoint you. But what part of guidelines being "guidelines" got missed when you posted that? Also, when is the last time you observed on any SOW printed out from a client that said on the order...

We reserve the right to pass all judgement on your work and if we find anything we don't like you agree we have the right to stick it to you all we want and refuse to pay you for your work without any opportunity for you to make a correction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As long as Mr. Lentz is confident in what he says about there being no other comparable, If I were him I would begin immediate action for theft of services and filing complaints with the state banking division. No more discussion. No more emails.

Webbed.
 
To All,

The relative "Position" of the subject prior sale on the sales comparison grid has no meaning at all. There is no rule that says comp 1 on the grid must be the comp given the most weight. That is only a matter of making an attempt at making a report a bit easier to read. Very honestly, an appraiser can state most weight, or least, is being given to any comp regardless of their physical positioning in the report.

Difficult, complex, appraisal situations all rise above "guidelines" in that what is required are explanations for not following them, not blind adherence to them. So unless this "client" has proof that Mr. Lentz could have easily done better in comparable selection, then Mr. Lentz fullfilled the contract for services. If the market was other than "stable" I would only expect to see a supported time adjustment to the subject prior sale. Yes, most appraisers would have tossed in one more utterly piece of junk comparable in order to play the stupid game that is played with this. Even if this client wanted one more comparable, stiffing the appraiser is uncalled for. The real reason for this is not what Mr. Lentz did.

Personally, I would be checking to see if this entire condo project has been disallowed for some reason, and the stupid L.O. failed to check.

Webbed.
 
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I'm in the same boat except it's to an industrial port. I have a property that is simply not comparable to most uses in the market area, and there are NO sales that are comparable since they simply would not compete with the subject, which is of relatively poor construction and utility. On the other hand, I do have a recent arms-length sale of the subject. Throwing all this data into a pot, what would a typical market participant likely consider the value of the subject to be? Since an informed purchaser would discount the non-comparable sales, the sale of the subject itself might be given substantial weight by said typical purchaser.
 
Abester - I'd read up on Special Use properties and H&BU carefully (wrestling with that myself at the moment).

Rob:

With some sympathy for your position... and full acknowledgement that there is likely no way to win this war... I'd write a stiffly worded demand letter... and to do that competently lets go straight to the source:

XI, 406.02: Selection of Comparable Sales (06/30/02)
If a property is located in an area in which there is a shortage of truly comparable sales-either because of the nature of the property improvements or the relatively low number of sales transactions in the neighborhood-the appraiser might need to use as comparable sales properties that are not truly comparable to the subject property or properties that are located in competing neighborhoods. In some situations, sales of properties that are not truly comparable or sales of properties that are located in competing neighborhoods may simply be the best comparables available and the most appropriate for the appraiser’s analysis. The use of such comparables is acceptable as long as the appraiser adequately documents his or her analysis and explains why these comparable sales were used (including a discussion of how a competing neighborhood is comparable to the subject neighborhood).

The appraiser must report a minimum of three comparable sales as part of the sales comparison approach to value. The appraiser may submit more than three comparable sales to support his or her opinion of market value, as long as at least three are actual settled or closed sales. Generally, the appraiser should use comparable sales that have been settled or closed within the last 12 months. However, the appraiser may use older comparable sales if he or she believes that it is appropriate, and selects comparable sales that are the best indicators of value for the subject property. The appraiser must comment on the reasons for using any comparable sales that are more than six months old. For example, if the subject property is located in a rural area that has minimal sales activity, the appraiser may not be able to locate three truly comparable sales that sold in the last 12 months. In this case, the appraiser may use older comparable sales as long as he or she explains why they are being used.

The appraiser may use the subject property as a fourth comparable sale or as supporting data if the property previously was sold (and closed or settled). If the appraiser believes that it is appropriate, he or she also may use contract offerings and current listings as supporting data. However, in no instance may the appraiser create comparable sales by combining vacant land sales with the contract purchase price of a home (although this type of information may be included as additional supporting documentation).

SO- I am not saying that you didn't do the best you could with what little you had to work with... but it looking at the use of the words might, must and may it kind of looks like you 'coulda-shoulda' thrown in some bogus third sale no matter how incomparable.... and relied on the prior sale of the subject heavily - I am in full agreement that if the subject is the BEST sale - you MUST use it and weight it heaviest! Some appraisers do some don't. :shrug:

Were there any land/build jobs in that exclusive area - or is it fully built up?

IF the cleint did not ask that you remedy this concern, and merely shot your fee... I would submit to the cleint that the actual guidelines are unclear.

They do not concretely preclude the use of the of the subject prior sale as one of the three, one can read the guidlelines in more than one way - seriously LOOK at them. The use of 'may' in the 'fourth comparable paragraph' does not absolutely preclude use as one of the THREE sales. If they meant CAN NOT they shoulda written CAN NOT. My objection is not weasel-wording the possible intent of the Guidelines, if they can't write em in black n white, then they better be prepared to deal with grey-line responses.

I have been in professional appraisal classes where this topic has been hotly debated... the USE of a useless non-comparable sale can be considered misleading and you all know what USPAP has to say about THAT kind of behavior.

...According to the Code of the Order of the Brethren... but you are dealing with a Pirate Captain: he is telling you:
First, your return (of this appraisal)... was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. Welcome aboard ...

I'd probably go after them on the basis of theft of services... and hound the cleint for direct contact to that so-called chief appraiser... my guess is the issue never actually made it to that level.

Again a demand letter for payment and agreement to discuss the matter with QUALIFIED individual shoudl be you next step if you want any money for yoru time.

Be aware that they can file some bogus complaiint with the state board.... keep your response and communications professional and IN THE FILE.
 
I have to say this is.

crazy. I am of the school that a closed sale of the subject at arm's length is the best comp there is. Unless the underwriter could provide me with something SPECIFIC that I agreed to saying I wouldn't use a subject sale as a comp, I would have to side with Duck Dodger.

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A fourth comp indicates quantity...not relative positioning of the comp. So, I would say that you can use the subject sale as comp #1, as long as there IS a comp #4... Like webbed says, where it falls in relative position means nothing. Some people set them by distance, some by price, some by overall similarity....there is no accepted method of "ordering" comps. Supply them with a 4th comp to comply with the regs if you didn't already, and tell them where to send your check.
 
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