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Appraiser didn't measure during interior inspection

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Ok, I can see your perspective - so basically, if the public records sketch was accurate, what difference does it make, right?

But in this case, he's off on the square footage by 130 SF. 66+/- square feet due to the rounding to the nearest SF. Plust 64 SF because public records has the garage being three feet deeper than it actually is, at the expense of GLA. This is on a home of 1,830 SF (real) GLA. His report shows 1,700.

The report is littered with BS, including a "Stable" Market and "In Balance" Supply & Demand. Went two miles to get 7 month old comps when there were 3-6 month old comps within one mile.

I'm in the process of writing up a complaint I intend to file soon

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I's be careful with with this so called complaint. 130 Suare Feet is not the death penalty.Comparables May be argued.Looks like you need a lot more ammo to put you competition out of business..
 
But in this case, he's off on the square footage by 130 SF. 66+/- square feet due to the rounding to the nearets SF. Plust 64 SF because public records has the garage being three feet deeper than it actually is, at the expense of GLA. This is on a home of 1,830 SF (real) GLA. His report shows 1,700.

Was the data source of comparable GLA also public records?
 
Hold on here. Stop discussing the wrong things.

Mr. Melton,

I am not on a board, but I am all ears when any board administrator says something. So I think I can predict the response of a good board anyway.

I will start with a direct quote. "Say what you do, and do what you say! " Can it be much more simple than that? We have a duty when we define our SOW work in any appraisal report to have done what we said we did, to say what it is we do, and what it is we did NOT do! This includes a description of our methods used, or NOT used, when we inspect a subject property. A description of the information sources we used, or did NOT use especially when they are industry standard expected sources!

What does the above mean, especially when most of our peers certainly DO say what they did and did not do. It means when an appraiser uses a county sketch, plagerizes county measurements, and fails to inform the intended users of that report that they did so, the appraiser has violated USPAP. Why do I say this? I say it because not only is it reasonable to assume that the expectations of the client was that they had hired an appraiser that would measure, and did not plagerize another source's GLA estimate, but that the SOW would meet most intended users expectations as well. Not only that, but using any 03/2005 form for mortgage purposes certainly carries with it a reasonable expectation on the part of intended users that Fannie guidelines have been followed. What is our DUTY when we do not follow Fannie guidelines? Gosh, what do you know, our peers explain what they did not follow and why. Correct?

So what happens when we have ourselves an appraiser that plagerizes sketches and GLA measurements regarding a subject improvement? When that appraiser does not disclose this is what they did; does not disclose they did not measure; does not disclose they did not follow secondary market guidelines with a secondary market intended use; and also does not disclose, that their unusual act not in keeping with their peers acts, would have to include an EA that the information they plagerized is correct. Otherwise, the credibility of the analysis could be adversely impacted.

Now I know some on the forum are going to, and have, jump in and point out "Where does the information for the comps come from? " ... If I were on a board if they attemped that for an excuse they would get shot down so fast!... The comps are a different topic. All of their peers have to use other sources for that and make assumptions regarding it. The SUBJECT information is the point here, not the comparable! Saying what you do, and doing what you say is the point. It's called not misleading the intended users.

Is the violation(s) specifically what the appraiser did if it had been agreed to with the client, and disclosed in the appraisal report, no measurements would be taken during inspection? ... No .... The violation(s) comes from the fact peers are all measuring, and if what this appraiser did was NOT specifically disclosed in the appraisal report. In that case, I personally would, and do, deem the lack of disclosure, to be SOW Rule, Ethics Rule, and Standard Two violations.

Webbed.
 
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I's be careful with with this so called complaint. 130 Suare Feet is not the death penalty.Comparables May be argued.Looks like you need a lot more ammo to put you competition out of business..

My goal is not centered around putting healthy competition out of business. Fair competition is good - it forces you to grow and learn. But I run a clean shop and I lose work all the time for it. The only reason anyone loses work because they are ethical is that there is a voluminous supply of unethical appraisers out there to meet the demand.

I decided a long time ago that I don't want to have to look over my back every morning when I get out of bed. I govern my professional conduct accordingly. So when Johny "Stable-Market" gets a job from a broker/l.o. who stopped using me because I call it like it is, then I am facing UNFAIR competition and that sorry SOB is can expect trouble.

The only reason I gave this report a second look is because he checked the "Stable" & "In Balance" boxes, when the local market is anything but. After looking at it more closely, there are several more problems. But the Stable & In Balance are what chaps my a**

If an appraiser knows it's declining / oversupply and states otherwise, he/she is an unethical dishonest SOB and I will do whatever I can to keep him/her from taking food off my table. If he/she lacks the skills to reasonably determine the status of the market, then such an incompetent appraiser needs to get some board-ordered re-education.:new_blowingup:
 
No .... The violation(s) comes from the fact peers are all measuring, and if what this appraiser did was NOT specifically disclosed in the appraisal report. In that case, I personally would, and do, deem the lack of disclosure, to be SOW Rule, Ethics Rule, and Standard Two violations.

Let's discuss human nature and the appraiser next...

BTW, I believe my peers would look at inspecting the same model as a windfall and not tape it. So where does that leave us Mr. Webbed?
 
Ok, I can see your perspective - so basically, if the public records sketch was accurate, what difference does it make, right?

But in this case, he's off on the square footage by 130 SF. 66+/- square feet due to the rounding to the nearets SF. Plust 64 SF because public records has the garage being three feet deeper than it actually is, at the expense of GLA. This is on a home of 1,830 SF (real) GLA. His report shows 1,700.

The report is littered with BS, including a "Stable" Market and "In Balance" Supply & Demand. Went two miles to get 7 month old comps when there were 3-6 month old comps within one mile.

I'm in the process of writing up a complaint I intend to file soon

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Hang em Chuck I was strictly playing devils advocate.
 
Hang em Chuck I was strictly playing devils advocate.

LOL. Kevin, I've read enough of your posts to know you weren't defending him. I appreciate your input.

Besides, that's exactly what I'm trying to get at. In my complaint, should I mention that I believe it is typical of our peers to measure a home (exceptions granted for homes you've previously measured or models you already have verified floor plans for), and that not measuring and not disclosing such is a violation of SOW as typically expected by peers? IS THERE SUCH A THING?

Or is it only a violation because he had the opportunity to verify it himself, but instead relied on something that is known to have, at best, a spotty record.

The way I think about it, what he did is worse than if he had measured it and just flubbed the garage by 3 or 4 feet. I'm not immune to making mistakes - fortunately I think I caught most of them and had to pay for it by driving 30+ miles each way to remeausure.... one time I forgot to write down a number and had to go back out just to verify what I thought the number should be based upon my scaling.

Accurately QUANTIFYING what we are appraising is second only to accurately IDENTIFYING what we are appraising. Make a significant mistake on either of those and I'm not sure why the hell you got of bed that day.

Anyway, I read this board A LOT. It's helped keep me on the straight & narrow and kept me strong in the face of much opposition. I Don't post too much because I'm not into preaching to the choir, or I feel I've got more to learn if I keep my mouth shut and ears open. So I really appreciate the input and advice when I do have a question.
 
I personally think an appraiser is lazy that wont measure a house no matter how many of the same model they have appraised. If they sign the report attesting to size .. they better darn well know what size it is.
For those of you who dont measure the same model .. did you give a discount for the amount of work you didnt do?
 
Stick to USPAP violations only in the complaint. SF is something that most likely didn't have a very significant affect on the outcome of the appraisal right? If the report is littered with other glaring errors that are blatantly USPAP violations the State will look into it. If it is a minor value issue or SF issue it will get tossed. Stick to the market info you mentioned. Back it up with hard data. That is the proper approach. Good luck.
 
Agreed.

I personally think an appraiser is lazy that wont measure a house no matter how many of the same model they have appraised.


I trust few. If there is going to be a GLA mistake, it is going to be my mistake, no one elses.
 
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