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MLS Comp Photos WTF!

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And don't forget to have all of this done in 24-48 hours or it will effect you profile rating!!!

This site is suppose to be here for us appraisers to communicate and help each other. Not to put one another down and make fun of. Which is what I read all to often.

Consider it an adult spanking by one's peers. While the messages are often harsh in their delivery, they're often quite constructive and, in the end, are helpful and educational to the original poster's who presented them.
 
I think this discussion does point out how ridiculous some of this is becoming. We are supposed to perform all this increasing due diligence and the fees are dropping. I know it takes me 5 times longer to complete a report today than it did in 2004 or early 2005 on the old forms. I spend a good 90 minutes on each report doing a market analysis as I "analize" (sorry PE) the data. Not to mention that driving all the comps adds several hours to my week.
 
Unfair Trade Practices

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Truth is often a matter of perspective.

Being irreverent about a matter, by drudging up the fact our trade has many issues, only serves to belittle the matter being discussed as if you are trying to say that it is of such slight importance that none of us should be discussing it or reacting as negatively as we are.

There are some points that leave this an important issue regardless of cynicism. Many states are USPAP mandatory states. Making USPAP state law in those locations. Intentionally ignoring an assignments scope, lying about what one said one did, in order to save time and reap greater profits by breaking the law to do so, is called an Unfair Trade Practice.

Any fraudulent, deceptive, or dishonest trade practice that is prohibited by statute, regulation, or the Common Law.

The law of unfair competition serves five purposes. First, the law seeks to protect the economic, intellectual, and creative investments made by businesses in distinguishing themselves and their products. Second, the law seeks to preserve the good will that businesses have established with consumers. Third, the law seeks to deter businesses from appropriating the good will of their competitors. Fourth, the law seeks to promote clarity and stability by encouraging consumers to rely on a merchant's good will and reputation when evaluating the quality of rival products. Fifth, the law seeks to increase competition by providing businesses with incentives to offer better goods and services than others in the same field.

Although the law of unfair competition helps protect consumers from injuries caused by deceptive trade practices, the remedies provided to redress such injuries are available only to business entities and proprietors. Consumers who are injured by deceptive trade practices must avail themselves of the remedies provided by state and federal Consumer Protection laws. In general, businesses and proprietors injured by unfair competition have two remedies: injunctive relief (a court order restraining a competitor from engaging in a particular fraudulent or deceptive practice) and money damages (compensation for any losses suffered by an injured business).

The glaring problem for our O.P. who may have been ignoring the SOW of his assignments, and those also opting to ignore the SOWs they are signing, all of them taking shortcuts that a state board may certainly decide represents violation of the Ethics Rule, is many of the rest of us are way beyond more than seriously pizzed off about it. Forget the debate about the pluses and minuses of MLS photos. Forget the debate about Google Earth. Forget differences between "drive-by" of a comp versus "inspecting" a comp. These appraisers pulling this had better wake up to the legal damages they are committing against all the other appraisers. They aren't making any friends in the process. Just the opposite.

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Holy Crap! Look what I got with that address!






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I'd rather pick up a hitchhiking bigfoot than face down some of the heavily armed and meth'd up commercial dope growers on spyrock.
 
I think this discussion does point out how ridiculous some of this is becoming. We are supposed to perform all this increasing due diligence and the fees are dropping. I know it takes me 5 times longer to complete a report today than it did in 2004 or early 2005 on the old forms. I spend a good 90 minutes on each report doing a market analysis as I "analize" (sorry PE) the data. Not to mention that driving all the comps adds several hours to my week.

What are you talking about? ... Almost 100% of all mortgage related work has required inspecting comparable the entire time I've been in this business. A time period that started WAY before any of the issues you mention. So how has "driving all the comps" added diddily to your week?

Any of us that cannot understand that fees are dropping directly because copious numbers of real estate appraisers are violating the Ethics Rule, in order to remain in business at those dropping fees, just isn't thinking. If you feel you can no longer compete, while still complying with your state laws, it probably is that you can't, and so cannot the other appraisers that are committing unfair trade practices instead. Those appraisers are appropriating your public "good will" with consumers. By lying to those consumers through the lies they sign and pass on to their clients.

The laws are already in place to do something about it. The only lacking is the cats need to stop being mice, and become a pack of dogs over it.
 
Back when I was a kid...not only did we drive the comps, we had to go to the township assessors office almost every day-to verify information...sometimes two or three of them. There was no public internet back then.
 
...not only did we drive the comps, we had to go to the township assessors office almost every day-to verify information...

And you had to beat off bears with your yard stick while you walked up hill....both ways...
 
Fannie has had a "don't ask/don't tell" policy for as long as I've been appraising. I'm curious... why didn't fannie follow FHA comp photo policy by requiring original photographs when MLS photos are used?

From the 2009 Fannie Mae Selling Guide

Acceptable photographs include clear, descriptive, original images from photographs or electronic images, copies of photographs from a multiple listing service, or copies from the appraiser’s files
 
When I started in this biz we had to draw the comps since film hadn't been invented yet.
 
Back when I was a kid...not only did we drive the comps, we had to go to the township assessors office almost every day-to verify information...sometimes two or three of them. There was no public internet back then.

We had to actually draw pictures of comps because cameras hadn't been invented !!

Sorry TC for stealing your thunder ! Didn't know we were both old coots !
 
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