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Mentor, I agree, I always confirm with client if I cannot get access pre report.

The OP is trying to discredit a review appraiser who performed a review in a gated community ( he is hired by the lender to defend possibly faulty appraisals against the reviews)

And by placing the report on a field review form when they were not able to actually conduct a field review is giving him all the ammunition one needs.

The 2000 review form offers a much greater level of detail and room for comments than a desk review. If an appraiser assigned a 2000 form asks for a desk review form and the client refuses to change the form, the appraiser is not using the "wrong form", just because they cannot get ext access. They disclose they did not get access, state that they can still develop credible results, and finish the assignment.

Switching to a desk review seems like a good solution but it is not the level of detail the client wants or will accept.

The level of detail expected when a field review is conducted, that is exactly where the credibility is gone, because a field review was not done, you are implying a level of inspection that was not possible by using the form.

There is nothing in the desk review form that prevents someone from expanding on the detail to a level equal to that on the 2000 form. One can even expand the SOW on that form to include viewing the comparables (to whatever extent possible) and the subject's complex from outside the gate.

Granted the problem with doing this would probably be with the client who is dealing with a program that calls specifically for the 2000 form unless other arrangements are made. The issue would often end up being a client that would not understand the whole "form" issue and feel bothered by the need to arrange for a change in form and irritated as "all their other appraisers" never make a nuisance of themselves in this manner.

In the end, if you contradict the certification - even by citing Jurisdictional Exception as the Atlanta HUD suggested, or change the certification on the 2000 or any other form just be aware of the potential pitfalls. As someone pointed out, Fannie underwriters let stuff like this slide all the time but this is hardly reason enough to breath easy after doing so. The problem can appear when the file comes back in the form of a buy back attempt, lawsuit, or state board hearing and then the fine tooth combs come out and their is an attempt to find any reason to push the cause at hand. The initial post proves this as at least one party is considering this issue as a means to discredit one of the appraisers involved in a buy back file.

As to proof of fine tooth combs, read the thread linked below and the attachment and ask yourself if the state board involved would miss a beat in adding something like this to the list of reasons as to why they need to destroy someone's career or use it as the sole reason to do so.

http://appraisersforum.com/showthread.php?t=178644

Exactly, sometimes we have to educate the clients on what needs to be done. This is one of those times, either use the desk review form, or hold off until the client provides proper access. If they can not agree with either of these options, then do yourself a favor and decline the assignment.
 
Sunshine, it looks to me like you are trying to do the right thing and are just surveying your forum peers.

I think you have the judgement to just report the facts as to what the report said. Really, what I would do is discuss the major issues brought up by posters in your summary, since it is a fuzzy situation in some respects. It doesn't appear to have been handled ideally by the reviewer. Perhaps that will be your conclusion.


Just having this open discussion here has been enlightening. My belief, that I don't have a horseshoe up my arse, has always keep me scared enough to walk the straight and narrow, but everyone who posted has offered something I can learn from. It's rare that I have ever posted here and it not have been to my benefit. The industry as a whole needs broader communication such as this.
 
Just having this open discussion here has been enlightening. My belief, that I don't have a horseshoe up my arse, has always keep me scared enough to walk the straight and narrow, but everyone who posted has offered something I can learn from. It's rare that I have ever posted here and it not have been to my benefit. The industry as a whole needs broader communication such as this.

Exactly, I think the same way. I sit here in LaLa Land in the Great State of Live Free or Die and you get too sheltered and let's face it, we get cynical because of what we see in lending and we do see horror stories. I think the caliber of appraisers on here genuinely give a hoot about what they do and think through the process. And the credentials of the people here are above the norm. I am loving being on here, but I need to not be on here as much as I need to work. It's so tempting. Things are just not as cut & dry as one may think.
 
It's not about the appraiser or the reviewer...it's about the appraisal and the review, particularly the value and the way it was developed on each report.
 
TJsum, if the OP ever gets back to us when this is finalized, will see the result. PMI companies are ordering field reviews of appraisals on a large scale. As a nationwide client, we can bet they are informed that a number of situations exist where the subjects cannot be viewed or photographed by the review appraiser due to access issues.

Surely these giant insurance companies have attorneys and USPAP experts advising them. With hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars at stake, I doubt they would be accepting field reviews such as the one under discussion, without the advice of attorneys and USPAP experts that the reviews would hold up to scrutiny.
 
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TJsum, if the OP ever gets back to us when this is finalized, will see the result. PMI companies are ordering field reviews of appraisals on a large scale. As a nationwide client, we can bet they are informed that a number of situations exist where the subjects cannot be viewed or photographed by the review appraiser due to access issues.

Surely these giant insurance companies have attorneys and USPAP experts advising them. With hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars at stake, I doubt they would be accepting field reviews such as the one under discussion, without the advice of attorneys and USPAP experts that the reviews would hold up to scrutiny.

It does not appear that they have attorneys or USPAP experts advising them. When we have kickbacked other field reviews for various USPAP violations, the only person they seem to go to is the AMC they ordered the appraisal from. When they do utilize someone to do a USPAP review, they appear to be bias in that the only point out what the origination appraiser did not do correctly and many times, I find things that the reviewer did incorrectly which is more material to value.

I will flag this file and post when it is settled...some times it can take up to a year.
 
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That must be a Florida thing. In the rest of the world, 1. the police have to witness the trespassing, and 2. The trespasser has to be asked to leave before they can be cited.

That's a lot of risk just for an appraisal report. Say you are caught with your camera out, in a gated community uninvited, and there are kids around. Looks fishy. Why play spy for an appraisal report?
 
Advice from "attorneys or USPAP experts" would be ?????
 
That's a lot of risk just for an appraisal report. Say you are caught with your camera out, in a gated community uninvited, and there are kids around. Looks fishy. Why play spy for an appraisal report?


Because to some ... gaining access via a lie is not really a big deal to them it appears as prior posts would suggest.

Like you ... not all appraisers believe this way Delta ... Im glad to see you understand that simply being honest with your client and not trespassing into an area you have not been invited is your preferred method.

I think it should be the preferred method for all who are professional and understand the meaning of the word.
 
I have misgivings about tailgating into gated communities. Often our MLS will put gate codes on the data sheets, which is very helpful. I get worried when going past a gate up a long driveway to get a comp photo, or worse a subject photo of a pre-foreclosure. I got trapped once doing that. Someone closed an electric gate behind me and they had to come and let me out. Not sure what was going on there, but they had trained guard dogs and security cameras. The person that came out to chat was armed.
 
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