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"deal Killer" No Value Added For Permited Guest House

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The price was using homes that had sold and were for sale at that time and added both the sq. footage of the main and guest house together, the 198.5k comes out to about $102.00 sq. ft., I would have been happy if there was some kind of value in the guest house maybe $75-$85 sq.ft. but $0, I might as well parked a 1970 travel trailer in the back yard and called it a guest house. Using the guest house for an income property, I would think you could write it off at the end of the year as an office for the homeowners business if he or she works at home or instead of paying for a nursing home to take care of a relative receiving some kind of compensation for that.
You do realize that you have just explained how atypical your property really is and that it has limited marketability in that it would appeal only to a marginal pool of buyers? And Lenders give serious consideration to marketability issues you describe.

Realtors do stuff like what you describe - lump things together - all the time. Combining square footage of two separate units to come up with a sum total price per square foot for the entire shebang. Appraisers however, DO NOT do what Realtors do and it us who must sort out their mess and take the brunt of the blame when things fall through because of the strict guidelines we are accountable for - to the Lender. While we do not know why the Appraiser did what he did, I do feel confident in saying your Realtors guidance and suggested calculations were way off when it comes to the real world.
 
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What I would have given to have one of yaw'll do my appraisal, Someone who actually cares and realizes just how important their job is. I would be at my closing this Wednesday and looking for my new house in Idaho this weekend.
 
What an entertaining thread. This isn't difficult. Just the past two weeks alone I encountered three "one of a kind" amenities in properties that, or course, had no similar comps. Did I give their amenities absolutely no value? Of course not.

The last one I encountered had a 30 x 70 steel utility building, with a concrete floor and electrical service installed. That's a 2,100 sf garage for you city slickers. Most garages are 400 sf if they are 2 car garages, so this very nice modern building was the equivalent of five two car garages, right? Let's call it a ten car garage?

For the situation of this thread, we are looking at LIVING space. I have done appraisals with the EXACT same situation - we call them carriage houses in Denver. If I can't find a property with a detached unit that is similar, I look for "converted" living space that is not quite up to the level of the typical GLA. This may be a converted garage, a patio that has been enclosed and is now a modified living area, a second floor attic converted into living space that is not as desirable as a "true" second floor as it has slanted ceilings. And if all else fails - a property that has some sort of unusual feature that is valued in the market, but has no other properties which have this feature. For the property with the 30 x 70 building, I found a property with a tack shed, stable, and enclosed corral. Are they the same? Yes - except for those extra amenities? Which one is more desirable? We could on for days splitting hairs about this - and from past experience, I will try to steer clear of exactly that.

Suffice it to say that a highly experienced appraiser that has common sense would not say that there is NO contributory value, which is what the OP has said all along. I agree completely.

I have encountered this exact situation in outlying towns multiple times. In the older parts of Denver, it is a common situation. I also encounter situations very similar every week of the year, but with different "amenities" that have value nonetheless, but they can't be "proven" with paired sales analysis. That can be dealt with using other methods very easily, but it may be out of the range of expertise of "average" appraisers. I think that's what you may be up against.

The answer is this - get rid of this appraiser - get your money refunded. Find a different lender, and pray you find an experienced appraiser. They are out there, but they don't work for the "too big to fail lenders" that are looking primarily at the cost of the appraisal as their main objective in choosing an appraiser. If you think that's pathetic, you are in good company here!

This is the largest financial investment of your lifetime, most likely. Don't settle for excuses and/or poor performance. Unfortunately, stories like this are all too common, and will probably remain so until lenders are FORCED to care about appraisal quality. They have not that thus far, so I am not expecting things to improve anytime soon. And that business model puts innocent consumers, like yourself, into very undesirable situations. It does NOT have to be this way. Push back.

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Any chance of a front pic of the house? No address necessary, just a nice curb appeal shot with both improvements (house and garage).

Let's see what $0 can buy you deep in the heart of Texas....*clap clap clap*
 
What I would have given to have one of yaw'll do my appraisal, Someone who actually cares and realizes just how important their job is. I would be at my closing this Wednesday and looking for my new house in Idaho this weekend.

I think going forward it is advisable that you contact different appraisers and interview them for experience and qualifications. Aside from the fact that you have an usual property any appraisal for listing purposes should be performed as if the property were going to go to market and contract the next day. The Appraiser should perform the listing Appraisal with GSE guidelines in mind because when a contract does come along the appraisal for sale must pass muster. It is a disservice to the seller (no better than what inexperienced Realtors do with over priced listings) to do otherwise.

Situations like yours are frequent occurrences - especially so since you do not have a cookie cutter property. You would better serve your interests if you consult with an experienced Realtor and Appraiser who are qualified to value your property.

You may not like the results of the appraisal either but the disappointment your experiencing now would be avoided, time wasted and loss of future contracts down the road, would, imo, be worth the investment.

You will bear the cost of the Appraisal and it will not be able to use the report for Lending purposes but you will at least have a realistic range of values and not just numbers lumped together by an inexperienced Realtor with an eye on a commission.
 
JTip, I tried to put a couple of pictures of both houses on here but I'm computer illiterate, if you give me an e-mail I will send you my address, I was going to put it on here but was told it wasn't a good idea, thank you.
 
I agree with Rick Stillman's last post.

How can you see a house with no address, your good, so you are saying people don't like are want a guest houses. I'm not saying my house even comes close to a high end house but why do so many of the expensive houses have guest or separate living quarters.

This is very perceptive of you and it took me at least 5 years of being an appraiser to realize how to solve problems like yours. Use Google Earth (Pro is better and it's now a free download). To look at your neighborhood and surround areas. You might be able to find several or more properties with additional houses on them. If you find some then there is some evidence that some people are willing to pay the price to build them. That means they are A) accepted in your area, and B) the cost of construction of yours, less depreciation, can sort of be used to support an adjustment to the sales of similar homes without the accessory unit (guest house). It's not perfect but it's a method an appraiser can use.

Also use Google to check for homes for sale and read, read, read and see if you can find a few properties being offered that have 2nd units.
 
Here in NY we can search for properties by assessor's codes; property with multiple units have specific code(s). I believe TX is a non-disclosure state, so that might not be possible there.
 
I'd be interested in knowing the specifics.



I'm sorry, but this is false. Value is not dependent on whether or not a property like it has sold before. For example, do the improvements on this oceanfront estate property shown below have no value because nothing like has ever sold in the United States, and thus "cannot prove a market value?"

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What is it? It has value, but would you be willing to give an opinion as to exactly what that value is? Could you give a credible opinion of value? EXAMPLE: Real world! We have a 35,000 square foot mansion in our area. No one will buy it. No one will even take it as a donation! Reason: Too big! The cost of maintaining is so huge that no one can afford it. It cost over 15,000,000 to build. It is on the market now for 5,000,000 and still no one wants it!

So what is a property worth that you can't even give away?

The point: If you do not have a very specific idea of what a value is how can you just make an adjustment?

I'd like to see you before the state board when the ask, "And what is the basis for your market value adjustment?"
 
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