AQB Update On Proposed Changes To Appraiser Qualifications

[George Hatch]

Did you talk to the boss himself and learn his reasoning? If they can get more skills/education at $12 an hour, they could and they did. They appreciated the additional skills, one presumes, since he was the one who got the job. I still still fail to get your point, nor from the anecdote about the college ed girl working in retail or swipe about her ethics. Your posts now have given up any semblance of logic and are just bitter jabs at college grads .

I'm getting the sneaking feeling that you think I'm on the opposing side of the educational divide just because of my opinions of what it does or doesn't take to appraise a house.

That communications grad I'm talking about? She's completely lacking in the analytical skills it takes to be a competent appraiser. I'd never hire her for that kind of work. It surprises me not at all that she has been unable to get a serious job because she's kind of an idiot.

As for the repeated cracks about the education leading to higher ethics, that wasn't a crack against her; I aimed that squarely at the reasoning you've been using in this thread. It's your rationale that I'm mocking. I'm a little surprised that went over your head.

 

[Evincere]

Because one college grad in a different profession took an entry level job at $12 an hour? I hardly think so. But whatever, keep arguing to drop the degree so they drop it, which will allow in more low qualified trainees to compete against you. Good luck with it.

I am now and have in the past ( circa 1987) competed against both degreed and non degreed Appraisers. "Luck" has nothing to do with appraising.

 

[Evincere]

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[Evincere]

I'm getting the sneaking feeling that you think I'm on the opposing side of the educational divide just because of my opinions of what it does or doesn't take to appraise a house.

That communications grad I'm talking about? She's completely lacking in the analytical skills it takes to be a competent appraiser. I'd never hire her for that kind of work. It surprises me not at all that she has been unable to get a serious job because she's kind of an idiot.

As for the repeated cracks about the education leading to higher ethics, that wasn't a crack against her; I aimed that squarely at the reasoning you've been using in this thread. It's your rationale that I'm mocking. I'm a little surprised that went over your head.

Yup. Lets just hope Appraising is not in fluxed by similar individuals by virtue of their college degree alone.

 

[Joe Flacco]

You guys keep talking about what someone needs to be a competent appraiser. It's not about that. You guys are focused on the wrong thing. What is good for the profession. What is good for public trust. These are the main issues.

I don't have a college degree either so I kind of know where you guys are coming from. Most of us without a degree have a chip on our shoulder. That chip on the shoulder is probably what drives many without a degree to the top. We have to look past that look at what is good for public trust. There is no appraisal profession without public trust. Public trust is where our focus needs to be.

 

[djd09]

If they didn't change the rules, it would render them useless.

They are inside the beltway. 15th Street is a big party at the expense of tax paying americans.

 

[J Grant]

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Here you go George, the larger population in prison have very little education, with a very lower percentage of college grads. What do you make of that.

You feel entitled to make swipes at and give anecdotes about college grads, one of whose sin is taking a low wage entry job and the other is to be stuck in a retail job. At least they have jobs

. I've been too polite to bring up my anecdotes, but I personally have been involved with more than a few HS only grads who went to prison, or kept getting fired from jobs and evicted, one of whom died of an overdose in a car, leaving her young teenage daughter devastated. Great life choices she made and as for ethics , they were all extended repeated generous opportunities with hiring or housing and ended up committing crimes and got involved with drugs. One of them, a grown man in his forties who hit rock bottom I had to get involved with his family who wanted nothing to do with him after he spent years robbing them of possessions and hope but at least they went along with getting him into a rehab. I don't know what happened to him after that but I doubt it helped.

Criminals and addicts come from all backgrounds, but since you want to trot out examples of low achieving college grads, here are some of mine about non college grads.

 

[George Hatch]

You guys keep talking about what someone needs to be a competent appraiser. It's not about that. You guys are focused on the wrong thing. What is good for the profession. What is good for public trust. These are the main issues.
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In my view we'd get more mileage out of improving the content and rigors of the QE courses, including adding some practicum content; and incorporating USPAP concepts and applications throughout the entire course of study instead of treating those issues as an add-on module that gets tacked on as an afterthought. I've been saying that for years.

That way, you're exposing everyone in the pipeline to more specific training in these areas, regardless of their prior academic education.

As far as raising the barriers to entry go, that might make sense to people who work in oversupplied markets now, but I think you have to take the longer view and consider what the unintended consequences are if/when the current imbalance between supply/demand reverses in the future.

There are other ways for the SFR appraisers to protect their own interests from the dangers of flooding their own market and diluting their leverage in the market, and I fully advocate appraisers act in their own interests in that vein. I just think it's short sighted to apply what amounts to a long term measure to overcome a short term problem that (some of) you guys created for yourselves.

 

[George Hatch]

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Here you go George, the larger population in prison have very little education, with a very lower percentage of college grads. What do you make of that.

You feel entitled to make swipes at and give anecdotes about college grads, one of whose sin is taking a low wage entry job and the other is to be stuck in a retail job. At least they have jobs

. I've been too polite to bring up my anecdotes, but I personally have been involved with more than a few HS only grads who went to prison, or kept getting fired from jobs and evicted, one of whom died of an overdose in a car, leaving her young teenage daughter devastated. Great life choices she made and as for ethics , they were all extended repeated generous opportunities with hiring or housing and ended up committing crimes and got involved with drugs. One of them, a grown man in his forties who hit rock bottom I had to get involved with his family who wanted nothing to do with him after he spent years robbing them of possessions and hope but at least they went along with getting him into a rehab. I don't know what happened to him after that but I doubt it helped.

Criminals and addicts come from all backgrounds, but since you want to trot out examples of low achieving college grads, here are some of mine about non college grads.

It was a pointless tangent when you started it, and when I responded to it, and now it's still a pointless tangent.

 

[Joe Flacco]

In my view we'd get more mileage out of improving the content and rigors of the QE courses, including adding some practicum content; and incorporating USPAP concepts and applications throughout the entire course of study instead of treating those issues as an add-on module that gets tacked on as an afterthought. I've been saying that for years.

As far as raising the barriers to entry go, that might make sense to people who work in oversupplied markets now, but I think you have to take the longer view and consider what the unintended consequences are if/when the current imbalance between supply/demand reverses in the future.

There are other ways for the SFR appraisers to protect their own interests from the dangers of flooding their own market and diluting their leverage in the market, and I fully advocate appraisers act in their own interests in that vein. I just think it's short sighted to apply what amounts to a long term measure to overcome a short term problem that (some of) you guys created for yourselves.

I think nationally tailored courses are terrible. What would be better is locally developed courses with local case studies. This type of education could occur if we had large local firms.

The degree requirement is not about supply and demand. It is not about fees. It is not about what is necessary to be a competent appraiser. It is about public trust. You are focused on the wrong things.

I find it very annoying that you are not really involved in the residential business but think you know what is best for residential appraisers.