AQB Update On Proposed Changes To Appraiser Qualifications

[George Hatch]

Why to to such lengths when a college degree already did that? And who is the "we" that are going to test for it?

The tests for credits under the College Level Exam Program - inclusive of the interntal structure that grades them - already exist. The applicants can pay for them, so there's no public burden to object to.

We can also incorporate more graded writing assignments in the QE courses - uniform to everyone and specific to what we actually do, and also payable by the applicants.


When it comes to obtaining a higher minimum level of skills outside of a college degree requirement "Can't be done" literally isn't an argument because it clearly can be done in an expedient and cost-efficient manner that won't limit would-be appraisers to those people who are in an economic position to undertain a $70k student loan debt.

Which now that I mention it, brings up the diversity issue in our business. In contrast to the idea that it takes a college degree to be competent at appraising houses, the lack of diversity in our business is pretty obvious.

Adding unnecessary academic credentials to the minimum requirements of aspiring appraisers will have a disparate effect on all economically disadvantaged applicants, regardless of their other personal attributes.

 

[J Grant]

Do you really think the AMC's give a crap about that? They'll fight against any test or qualification they can. This is all about them getting warm bodies in and putting them to work. If that does not happen fast enough, they'll fight for even lower entry standards, once the precedent is set. .

People mention the alt path in law, that is an extremely narrow path good only in a few states and a tiny percent of attorneys ever take it.

 

[George Hatch]

Do you really think the AMC's give a crap about that? They'll fight against any test or qualification they can. This is all about them getting warm bodies in and putting them to work. If that does not happen fast enough, they'll fight for even lower entry standards, once the precedent is set. .

People mention the alt path in law, that is an extremely narrow path good only in a few states and a tiny percent of attorneys ever take it.

I sympathize with the opposition to the AMC fee structures - truly. And I'm glad that you and others have a good grasp on the inevitable effects of adding more heads to an oversupplied market.

I just think the more fair and just way for the tribe to manage it's own population is via their own restraint and by engaging in actions and decisions made within the context of their own environment - which is subject to the principle of change. I think peer pressure and mutual expectations for each other is a better way even if it is less effective in the short term. I think clients blackballing low performing appraisers is a more effective way of cleaning up their own portfolios. i think it's better to compel the incorrigible donkey's supervisor to flunk them out during the training process than to paint most of the population as donkeys from the outset.

 

[hastalavista]

I just think the more fair and just way for the tribe to manage it's own population is via their own restraint and by engaging in actions and decisions made within the context of their own environment - which is subject to the principle of change. I think peer pressure and mutual expectations for each other is a better way even if it is less effective in the short term. I think clients blackballing low performing appraisers is a more effective way of cleaning up their own portfolios. i think it's better to compel the incorrigible donkey's supervisor to starve them out than to paint most of the population as donkeys from the outset.

It is hard to argue against the above.

 

[Evincere]

Do you really think the AMC's give a crap about that? They'll fight against any test or qualification they can. This is all about them getting warm bodies in and putting them to work. If that does not happen fast enough, they'll fight for even lower entry standards, once the precedent is set. .

People mention the alt path in law, that is an extremely narrow path good only in a few states and a tiny percent of attorneys ever take it.

The tests for credits under the College Level Exam Program - inclusive of the interntal structure that grades them - already exist. The applicants can pay for them, so there's no public burden to object to.

We can also incorporate more graded writing assignments in the QE courses - uniform to everyone and specific to what we actually do, and also payable by the applicants.


When it comes to obtaining a higher minimum level of skills outside of a college degree requirement "Can't be done" literally isn't an argument because it clearly can be done in an expedient and cost-efficient manner that won't limit would-be appraisers to those people who are in an economic position to undertain a $70k student loan debt.

Which now that I mention it, brings up the diversity issue in our business. In contrast to the idea that it takes a college degree to be competent at appraising houses, the lack of diversity in our business is pretty obvious.

Adding unnecessary academic credentials to the minimum requirements of aspiring appraisers will have a disparate effect on all economically disadvantaged applicants, regardless of their other personal attributes.

My reading comprehension skills re Georges suggestions tells me he is referring to QE courses as it relates to the topic of this discussion -
AQB Update On Proposed Changes To Appraiser Qualifications

Yet you keep interjecting AMC's. Catch up on your comprehension skills and try to stay on topic.

 

[J Grant]

I sympathize with the opposition to the AMC fee structures - truly. And I'm glad that you and others have a good grasp on the inevitable effects of adding more heads to an oversupplied market.

I just think the more fair and just way for the tribe to manage it's own population is via their own restraint and by engaging in actions and decisions made within the context of their own environment - which is subject to the principle of change. I think peer pressure and mutual expectations for each other is a better way even if it is less effective in the short term. I think clients blackballing low performing appraisers is a more effective way of cleaning up their own portfolios. i think it's better to compel the incorrigible donkey's supervisor to flunk them out during the training process than to paint most of the population as donkeys from the outset.

What you state has been in place for decades, and it has not worked in the past. The "tribe" managing/selecting its own has led to the worst practices succeeding on the res lending side.

Since it did not work before, why would it work going forward?

 

[J Grant]

My reading comprehension skills re Georges suggestions tells me he is referring to QE courses as it relates to the topic of this discussion -
AQB Update On Proposed Changes To Appraiser Qualifications

Yet you keep interjecting AMC's. Catch up on your comprehension skills and try to stay on topic.

I keep interjecting AMC's because they are behind the AQB changes for reducing education and training.

 

[Deleted member 130081]

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Here you go George, the larger population in prison have very little education, with a very lower percentage of college grads. What do you make of that.

You feel entitled to make swipes at and give anecdotes about college grads, one of whose sin is taking a low wage entry job and the other is to be stuck in a retail job. At least they have jobs

. I've been too polite to bring up my anecdotes, but I personally have been involved with more than a few HS only grads who went to prison, or kept getting fired from jobs and evicted, one of whom died of an overdose in a car, leaving her young teenage daughter devastated. Great life choices she made and as for ethics , they were all extended repeated generous opportunities with hiring or housing and ended up committing crimes and got involved with drugs. One of them, a grown man in his forties who hit rock bottom I had to get involved with his family who wanted nothing to do with him after he spent years robbing them of possessions and hope but at least they went along with getting him into a rehab. I don't know what happened to him after that but I doubt it helped.

Criminals and addicts come from all backgrounds, but since you want to trot out examples of low achieving college grads, here are some of mine about non college grads.

WOW. I would check the dislike button, but there isn't one.

 

[J Grant]

G Hatch, and the anti college crowd can dump on people with college degrees, and mock them, and bring up examples of ones they know that in their mind are losers, but when it goes in the other direction, you don't like it. Fine , dislike me for that post, but how does it feel when it is not only the college degree crowd being trotted out as bad examples?

 

[Evincere]

G Hatch, and the anti college crowd can dump on people with college degrees, and mock them, and bring up examples of ones they know that in their mind are losers, but when it goes in the other direction, you don't like it. Fine , dislike me for that post, but how does it feel when it is not only the college degree crowd being trotted out as bad examples?

That is not whats happening - other than your own perception no one is dumping on people with college educations. It would seem more like you have some persecution problems which may not entirely be due to having a college education.