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Where Do You Think "geographic Competency" Begins And Ends?

I am capable of *competently* completing an appraisal assignment on a "typical" SFR even if

  • I've worked in the community before but have never worked in this particular neighborhood

    Votes: 30 52.6%
  • If I've worked in this County before but have never worked in this community

    Votes: 29 50.9%
  • If I've worked in this region before but never in this County

    Votes: 21 36.8%
  • If I've worked in this state before but never in this region

    Votes: 12 21.1%
  • I am capable of figuring out a typical SFR property almost regardless of where it is.

    Votes: 35 61.4%

  • Total voters
    57
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Meh, I've made mistakes before. There are worse things.


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Q: I've been appraising for many years. How can you tell if I was competent to perform the assignment I did today?
A: By whether or not the workproduct was completed competently.


Ain't none of us any better or worse than our last assignment.
 
Meh, I've made mistakes before. There are worse things.


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Q: I've been appraising for many years. How can you tell if I was competent to perform the assignment I did today?
A: By whether or not the workproduct was completed competently.


Ain't none of us any better or worse than our last assignment.

I don’t agree. I can always do better.
 
... couldn't go into any assignment stateside in a property type they are familiar with and not figure out the demographics and value drivers within one day.

SFRs for the masses have the characteristics of sameness across the US. The most probable buyer and motivation to buy are the same. Seller motivation is a little more diverse but can be easily discovered in most cases.
 
I have nothing to hide here. (and I am also not questioning the necessity of performing competently)

What prompted the poll was I got a call from Danny a few days back where he wanted a sounding board for a training session he was walking into with his own people, and we were kicking some ideas around on the topic. We've done that many times over the years, often about responses to the exposure drafts or about legal cases or brainstorming about training materials and approaches and so on. This is not a particularly unusual occurrence.

He brought up a couple things I hadn't thought about in a long time since back when I was teaching review courses, and I came back with a couple non-res examples of what he was talking about that hadn't occurred to him. We bounced a few ideas off of each other - including some talking points - and he went and did his thing. The conversation got me to thinking about it and some additional tangents that we hadn't discussed came to mind.

So yeah, he brought up a question about how we go about distinguishing between what is reportable at the outset of the assignment and in the cert under the COMPETENCY RULE that got me to thinking about the topic. He didn't ask me to bring the "geographic" angle up in the Forum, he didn't know I was going to bring it up, and he certainly didn't know I was going to put the pitch to people based on what they thought their own abilities are vs asking what they think most appraisers can do.

But hey, if the conspiracy to manipulate theory appeals to you I do not mind indulging you and will volunteer to register as a Russian bot and a hostile (or apathetic) agent to your business interests. I've been called that before, including when the HVCC broke and I was telling everyone that the loan salesmen should never have been allowed control the appraisers. Not that my willingness to step into the breach will change any aspect of the "competency" issue itself.

That issue existed before any of us thought about it in those terms and will continue whether we think about what we're doing or not. IRL a lot more data and resources have come online since I started appraising and the results have been that appraisers are capable of looking at and considering more information than ever before - on their own and without calling the County to inquire about zoning designations and what they mean, without asking a broker how many DOMs that listing ran or what the initial list prices were or seeing where the property lines are on an assessor map overlay in the aerials or seeing a series of street pics in Google Maps or overheads in Google Earth that go back 10 or 20 years so we can see when a building was added.

I didn't create the question of whether we need to reconsider what it takes to return the competent appraisal in the data age; all I did was bring it up within the context of current events.

And FTR, I have previously completed number of no-look appraisals, rental surveys, land sales analyses and HBU analyses on non-residential properties for clients in the past; and I've done so without the slightest fear of some 3rd party moving the goalpost on me after the fact. So my end of the business is not isolated from these developments and I DON'T think the SFR appraisers are getting singled out for abuse here.


Oh come on George,

Nobody accused you of hiding anything. Nor was any conspiracy alleged.

Appraisers,
are supposed to naturally,
see patterns in data.
If some don't
That can't be helped.

It is what it is, I just wanted to know why Tim got upset with the answers.

When there is an "enforcer" to get answers to questions like this,

Now you tell me what that is called.

Edit to add,

No one can accuse you of wearing a red shirt, when you're wearing a red shirt.

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And I'm sure Danny is capable of asking us on the forum himself.

Honesty goes much farther toward good answers.


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@J Grant
and
@Marion Rhodes


To the ladies.....

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

Kudos to JG and MR...
JG for questioning the purpose of the poll....
And MR for asking the right questions to ferret out the genesis of the poll....
WOW!!!!!

I think it would have been better served if GH had, in the opening post, included the backstory regarding the poll....
Because any question or comment posted by DW prior to GH sharing the backstory is now somewhat suspect....

Good work ladies....

As an aside....
I couldn't care less about any polls on the AF....
Yet, I'm still impressed by the questions the two of you asked....
 
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Wow. You really think George is that devious? :)

How should someone interpret this post????

Devious maybe too strong a word.....
Maybe the two of you should have been a bit more "forthcoming" regarding this poll????
 
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