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but am curious who in actuality, is qualified to propose properties (not necessarily comparables) for us to review? I would think the only one even remotely qualified would be a certified appraiser with competency in our market area. Not a machine, QC clerk, offshore entity, real estate broker or the like.
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This is, in my opinion, a real dilemma and what burns most of our britches.

One would think that prior to anyone sending me additional sales to consider, they would be vetted at some level. Personally, I believe that is what occurs most of the time (always exceptions). I can personally attest to seeing requests to look at additional data coming to the lender, and the lender saying, "No, these are not relevant. We don't think they warrant a look by the appraiser."

In the ideal world, someone at the bank/AMC with a higher level of expertise would vet the sales as well. That does happen at some lenders/clients, but not all.
And, let's state as a given that many requests are not vetted at all and should never have been sent to the appraiser. That's not how the system is supposed to work and those that automatically send data to appraisers are screwing everyone because with enough of that activity, appraisers (rightfully so) are going to resist any ROV.


Here is where I see the biggest problem: It is when the lender/AMC gets a request that it simply cannot make a call on its relevancy. Some, most, or perhaps all of the data provided might be worth considering, but they do not have the property or local expertise to rule it in or out. So, what they do is send it to the appraiser (the local expert) and ask for her or his opinion.
When the local appraiser gets it, they scratch their head and wonder, "Why the hell are they sending me this???" because to the local appraiser, there it is crystal clear why the data isn't relevant or warrant any change to the original appraisal.

We expect the client to be able to know our market well enough to determine if the data is relevant or not. But, sometimes, they don't. And I'm not certain they should be expected to.

As a reviewer, when I read a report and not understand something that may be material, I'll call or email the appraiser and ask the question. Many times, the appraiser's explanation of what is in the report satisfies me over the phone or the email, but without confirming it with the appraiser, I cannot make that judgment on my own. Depending on the situation, I may ask the appraiser to include that explanation in the report or I'll tell the appraiser don't change anything, I'll just recount the conversation in my review and note that the conversation addressed the issue and all is well.

The ideal ROV scenario (IMO) is similar to my example above. Whomever is making the decision to forward the data or not to the appraiser has considered what that data is and has tried to make a determination if it raises questions which are best addressed by the appraiser. In my example, I may think I know the answer, but I'm not certain that my answer is the original report's answer. So I have to confirm it so I can complete my review and provide my opinion of the quality of the report.

In the ROV with new sales, the lender/AMC should look at them and determine if they are reasonable or not; and if they are, are they any better than the ones that are in the report. I expect the lender to make a determination of the reasonableness in most cases (plain vanilla deals; if I have a more unique property, then the question of reasonableness might have a wider range of characteristics. For sure, if the best comps I've used have a lot of adjustments for differences, other sales with similar differences may appear reasonable to the client). I'd like it if the client could then make a judgment if they are reasonable, are they any better than the ones in the grid? I'd like that, but that may be asking too much. I think it is reasonable for the client to say,

"Gee, given everything, these look like reasonable sales to consider: Did you consider them/should you consider them, and if you do consider them, does it change anything?"​

As long as enough clients/AMCs push-through ROVs en masse, then I don't expect appraisers, in general, to be that receptive to an ROV request. And that is damaging (IMO).
For clients that do a reasonable job at filtering the ROVs first, then I would expect appraisers, in general, to be more receptive to an ROV request.

All the client has to do to me is persuade me that it really does have a reasonable question which could affect my appraisal. When they do, I'll address it. When they don't, I'll grow to resent it.
 
"revision request". Love it. Sounds like typical AMC jibba jabba
 
This is great. I did not expect to create such a good conversation with intelligent answers. I have pulled at least a half dozen good, new ideas from this. To further explain (as you may guess), the buyer's Realtor wants the value estimate higher. The subject is in a cookie cutter n'hood but the builder, at the buyer's request, has added a great deal of upgrades that do not add that much to the value. The Realtor submitted the request and just grabbed 2 sales that had a sale price that she needed. No one did any "pre-investigation". The AMC is doing no due diligence or investigation, only passing the request on to me. I wrote them a good explanation but they can't pass this along, only my report. The best thing I glean from this conversation is I may write a summary that will go to all requesters before accepting the job that says something like "If a revision is requested that has nothing to do with the quality of my report or mistakes made, there will be a fee for any further consideration". Thanks all for your valuable thoughts.
 
The best thing I glean from this conversation is I may write a summary that will go to all requesters before accepting the job that says something like "If a revision is requested that has nothing to do with the quality of my report or mistakes made, there will be a fee for any further consideration". Thanks all for your valuable thoughts.

just make sure that your clients don't have any verbiage in their engagement letter stating you must respond to requests of this nature and that clients are aware of the statement above and agree to it before you accept any orders from them. can't really enforce something both sides did not agree too.
 
I wrote them a good explanation but they can't pass this along, only my report.

REVISION REQUEST 5/3/18: The following sales have been submitted and the client has asked that I consider them in the report. 1234 Adams Street is a 2,000 SF ranch built in 2018 and is vastly superior to the subject property because................

Put that on page 3 of your report..
 
Mich, IMO you are setting yourself for a USPAP violation....IMO, the fact that you will waive the fee based on a certain result is a violation of the Management section of the USPAP Ethics rule, which prohibits a fee arrangement that is contingent on the attainment of a stipulated result (per the statement above, your fee is contingent upon the result of you finding the additional sales to not be superior to the sales in the report). Additionally, this type of arrangement also opens you up to the charge that you performed the assignment in a biased manner.

I don't see it the way you do. If I missed something then I should not charge for it but if they are creating needless work then they get to pay. Biased? again, I don't see this. If someone found a better comp than I should include it. If someone is just giving me busy work then they pay. I don't see how I could have any bias.
 
This is great. I did not expect to create such a good conversation with intelligent answers. I have pulled at least a half dozen good, new ideas from this. To further explain (as you may guess), the buyer's Realtor wants the value estimate higher. The subject is in a cookie cutter n'hood but the builder, at the buyer's request, has added a great deal of upgrades that do not add that much to the value. The Realtor submitted the request and just grabbed 2 sales that had a sale price that she needed. No one did any "pre-investigation". The AMC is doing no due diligence or investigation, only passing the request on to me. I wrote them a good explanation but they can't pass this along, only my report. The best thing I glean from this conversation is I may write a summary that will go to all requesters before accepting the job that says something like "If a revision is requested that has nothing to do with the quality of my report or mistakes made, there will be a fee for any further consideration". Thanks all for your valuable thoughts.

"The best thing I glean from this conversation is I may write a summary that will go to all requesters before accepting the job that says something like "If a revision is requested that has nothing to do with the quality of my report or mistakes made, there will be a fee for any further consideration"."

Please let us know how that works out for you.....:peace:
 
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I don't see it the way you do. If I missed something then I should not charge for it but if they are creating needless work then they get to pay. Biased? again, I don't see this. If someone found a better comp than I should include it. If someone is just giving me busy work then they pay. I don't see how I could have any bias.
It does not matter why, but a contingent fee structure whereby your compensation is contingent in whole or part on the results of your analysis violates the Management section of the ethics rule (IMO). Additionally, maybe you are not biased, but such an arrangement certainly opens you up to a claim of bias.
 
Please indicate the specific section of the Management section being violated.

Line item, please.
 
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