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Considering filing complaint for lack of market conditions adjustment on stale comps

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Father, can I receive absolution if I make clear that I consider myself to be one of the "characters" on this Forum?

Signed - "Alsie - Your Palsie-walsie" ;)

PS - Nothing I wrote was meant to impune anyone's opinions. If I have a disagreement with someone's opinions, you may rest assured I will not be shy about chiming in ... if I can decipher that opinion, that is.... :rof:
Brother or Sister- Your Un-Impuned and your request has been granted and is good for 30 days with no money back guarantees. We also sell Holy Water. I asked Uncle Billy where he gets it and he said he sneaks down at night into the basement and burns the hell out it : ) LOL
 
18 pages of comments in just over a day? You all (Ya'll) must be slow. lol.

Between "Russ" & "NC Appraising" my office is falling over from laughing.

You're a bit late to the show Brit, but ... feel free to join in ... the topic at hand drew us in like "moths to a flame". (Throw "Value" together with "Complaint" and "State Board" and you've got an irresistible thread .... :ROFLMAO: )
 
Brother or Sister- Your Un-Impuned and your request has been granted and is good for 30 days with no money back guarantees. We also sell Holy Water. I asked Uncle Billy where he gets it and he said he sneaks down at night into the basement and burns the hell out it : ) LOL

OK Glen - this is as good a time as any to ask you a question that's been bugging me ... this "Uncle Billy" of yours; Is he a real person, or just a metaphor you use in discussion? (He's VERY entertaining to read when you bring him up, BTW, which is why I'm dying to find out.... ;))
 
Thank you for that. I asked for a ROV and was told to go away.


20%, conventional. And yes, please come visit!


Suburban


Would have gladly paid more to avoid this situation


No in my opinion (whatever that's worth). Yes, yes, and yes.


Lots of homes have sold in the subdivision recently. No duplexes over the past 8 months, but lots of detached SFR and condos.


I trust you, but the deal has closed.


Did you just adjust your rate for market conditions?! It's growing like crazy!
That is not good if the lender told you to go away. So conventional. Who insures this lender? That is not lender protocol.
 
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:leeann:. I'm lost now.
 
I completely agree with the methodology utilized. The problem we face as appraisers is that the lender/client/underwriter/reviewer will often send a “revision” requesting a more recent sale of a similar duplex be provided to support the time adjustment. There can be specific lender guidelines which are overlays in addition to Fannie/Freddie guidelines. Not all bank/lender are created equal and underwriting guidelines can vary greatly. So much happens behind the scenes that it can be difficult to determine what is really going on and the easiest person for the lender to blame is........wait for it...........wait for it...........the appraiser!
That's pretty unfair to the appraiser and I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for sharing. I guess my frustration should really have been directed at the whole system, since it isn't particularly clear which part is the constraining factor here.
 
I have focused on what. I have told you to supply data to lender and request ROV. Don't play with me.
Talk is cheap. I can handle it. It will cost you $4k to $10k. I assume I can get a temporary license in Hawaii.
Am I focused on "what"? LOL


Can I make it clearer? More clear? What is your definition of "what"?
:leeann:. I'm lost now.
Zoe: none of the post you quoted earlier was directed at you. You have focused on what and have provided recommendations pertinent to the situation, so thank you for that.

I was getting lost when I first saw your replies too lol
 
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Zoe: none of the post you quoted earlier was directed at you. You have focused on what and have provided recommendations pertinent to the situation, so thank you for that.

I was getting lost when I first saw your replies too lol
I can get crazy on my posts. It ain't right for a lender to tell you to go away. Especially if your doing 20% on a conventional loan. That is not the protocol for lenders.
 
Lenders should not influence value but they should allow you the option for a second appraisal or an ROV.. If you have 20% down on a $700,000 house. You deserve that .That is protocol.
 
Who wants to be the one to tell him?

The 6 hours you spent here last night pounding out paragraphs says otherwise.

Again, all for your own self satisfaction. There is no question as to what the answer must be, because you designed the question to provoke only one answer. If you can't answer it correctly you have one or less brain cell. This is basically the reason why I object to appraisers entertaining this post. There seem to be plenty of appraisers here willing to give you a tug, I'm not going to get in the middle of that. Based on all the information you provided, yes, a market conditions adjustment was warranted and no, the appraiser did not support their lack of an adjustment. However, it is NEVER as simple as you make it out to be. First we have what the market is doing, which can be irrational, volatile, and challenging to interpret. Second, we have how the appraiser chooses to analyze that market (methods). Third we have how an appraiser interprets and reconciles that data and comes to an opinion. Fourth, we have how that information and analysis is summarized to readers in their report. Fifth we have how that summary is interpreted by intended users of the report, which you are not. Reports are written for intended users understanding. After all these stages where things can easily get muddied, misinterpreted, miscommunicated we have you, a non-intended user, presenting your biased interpretation of the appraisers communication of an analysis. You hold the keys to what we know and what we don't. You have given us a small slice of a larger work product and based on that we are supposed to give you the OK to toss two appraisers to the state board.

It is the appraiser doing the analysis, not the borrower. The lender, reviewer, and appraiser found the report credible. You do not. It is that simple.

I said you were an "untrained, aggrieved, and biased borrower," all of which you have admitted to. Knowledge of statistics and regression does not make you an appraiser, although there are some here who might be willing to give you an honorary certification of some sort.

I'm not saying your questions are or are not legitimate. However, in my opinion, the appropriate avenue was an ROV. Sorry you didn't get the answer you wanted, but again two appraisers and the lender found the analysis credible. So we are left with that and your biased complaint. I don't think appraisers should make opinions of a peers work without reviewing the work an based solely on a biased complaint.

Yep, honestly, all I hear from your posts is smarm, entitlement, disingenuity, and contempt. Maybe I'm misreading...

I think it shows my unwillingness to be entertain bias.
Point taken, and I appreciate you taking the time to respond. My hope is that you're misreading my posts as they are not intended to be full of smarm, entitlement, disingenuity, and contempt. I know you don't believe me, but I am trying my best to present the situation as objectively as I can. Please keep in mind that I am only able to present my perspective, which includes the appraisal report itself, the emails I was sent, and the things I was told verbally. I am not privy to every part of this process, including conversations / emails that happened between the appraiser and the lender. Based on that alone, you are right in that it isn't anyone's place on this forum to judge the appraiser's work as I have presented it from my limited perspective.

Given that this is an online forum, my ability to convey the situation and its complexities is also limited. I'm not going to post the appraisal or emails here, for obvious reasons, so the best I can do is answer questions about the situation and the report from my perspective. Accordingly, I am not planning to use this forum as a jury for whether I should move forward with a complaint or not. All I wanted to do was get opinions on whether my claim is frivolous or not. It was an honest question because, as you pointed out, I am not (and have never claimed to be) an appraiser, which is probably why I've asked some pretty basic questions in this thread. I'm sure appraisers, and this forum, have seen far too many frivolous complaints from disgruntled buyers and sellers already, so I'm not trying to add to the pile.
 
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