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Cost to cure adjustment on the grid?

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a general consensus is that adding about 50% to the actual cost is not unrealistic.
so we work off guess and rumor? What happens if one agent says, "I don't know." We put zero down? That's like saying consensus makes science. Not so.

does not account for the profit motive
? Profit motive? Other than the time value of money, and here Rebath is a one-day job for a complete makeover. The buyer isn't wanting to "profit" they want it to work. Again, if you've lost six bids in a row, and get a chance to jump on this, a bathroom repair is no soap, just radio. I don't get it. You'll fix it.
 
How do you know that the "market reaction" from a mere 2 sales is an accurate gauge of anything? Perhaps it was the granite countertop was prettier, the appliances a higher quality, the wood subfloor instead of slab foundation. So you hang your hat on a single pairing of dubious quality? At a minimum, a regression analysis of 10-20 sales would be more indicative and I am willing to bet 10 or 100, that particular pairing be it specific repair or "repairs need" 0, 1 - will result in a serious erosion of your R squared and that, in turn, suggests a far more fluid adjustment if any adjustment at all.
because the appraiser is out in the market and appraising every day, including similar price range properties in the area, they/we have the accrued knowledge from past appraisals and today's data to base it on more than the mere 2 sales, even though the 2 sales are the comps on the grid.
 
so we work off guess and rumor? What happens if one agent says, "I don't know." We put zero down? That's like saying consensus makes science. Not so.
Maybe I'm mistaken but I believe that I've read your posts in the past where you thought that interviewing local agents was a legitimate tool in some cases. Change of heart?

Whether you agree or not, I think its reasonable.


"That's like saying consensus makes science. Not so."

Appraising isn't science, never has been and never will be, not as long as humans are involved. That's a bit of a stretch for comparison.
 
Does the typical buyer estimate the difference in price at "exactly" $65 per SF? Does the typical buyer estimate the contributory value of the pool at exactly $10,000? Does the buyer attribute the value of a dual car garage exactly $8,000 over that of a single garage? Of course, not. A buyer may simply nix anything without a garage large enough to accommodate their pickup. An elderly buyer may value a pool at exactly $0 but value a hot tub to soak old bones in at far more.

We do have to put in a finite $ amount as an adjustment, however, that does not mean it is meant to be precise. It means it is the most probable market reaction developed for that price range proprety in that market. We are not claiming the adjustment to be precise, or that all buyers will pay the same for a pool. An appraisal is a model. However, the adjustment at least is developed as a market reaction - not the cost of the pool, or cost of extra garage space - though we have a rough idea of the cost and there can be a relationship between cost of X and the contributory value of X in an adjustment.

The right answer. Nothing will be more accurate than the cost to cure estimate.
The right answer according to you! Accurate is not the same as supported and credible. The cost of X is $2,000, but if the market trends show buyers are paying nothing, or paying $5000 for X as then there is nothing accurate about using it as the adjustment. In addition, locking in to a cost estimate, even if well researched from a published guide, it could be wrong, and then what ? Your repair estimate is $2000, but turns out there is a plumbing problem or code violation problem that needs addressing, and actual cost turns out to be $6000.
 
because the appraiser is out in the market and appraising every day, including similar price range properties in the area,
the rather uncommon situation the OP finds themselves in begs the question. In or out of the market, similar price range or not, a small simple repair is what? Prolly within the margin of error of actual sales. After all, identical houses do not sell for identical prices. So what can we attribute the $2,000 or the $10,000 difference that may be present? In reality once the range is within 1 standard deviation, all answers are equally correct. Only you own judgment pinpoints a single value.

Cost to cure was what the lender asked for. Pulling a number out of your heinie and calling it "market reaction" is less reliable, less precise, and less accurate all three.
Your repair estimate is $2000, but turns out there is a plumbing problem or code violation problem that needs addressing, and actual cost turns out to be $6000.
not my problem. How often will that happen. So find me 3 or more paired sales where the bathroom needs exactly the same repairs. And the buyer has the option to send a contractor to look at it and estimate the cost. The question is why doesn't the seller fix it? Perhaps because they don't have the money. Perhaps they are selling the house for the same reason. Is is under-priced due to needed repairs or the owner needs to get out before the bank forecloses?
Accurate is not the same as supported and credible.
a cost to cure is supported and it is credible. Pulling a number from the air is credible? Pretending, due to a few bucks difference in sale price, that two house sales are a proxy for the repair?

I believe that I've read your posts in the past where you thought that interviewing local agents was a legitimate tool
It is a legitimate tool for asking what gives. Like the call back I am waiting for now. I called an agent about a very low sale once. He said, "It's got a major problem." They built an addition over the septic tank and now the septic needs replaced....cost estimate is $50,000 for a new septic and to pump grout into the old system. You can smell it from the addition. " Oh boy... something like that does require a discount due to the unknown quality of it. But a simply bathroom repair as described by the OP? It's not going to open up a major can of worms most likely.

A few years ago there was a discussion about the "polling" of agents and others. It revolved around how many are you going to ask. If the poll is not scientific or reasonably close, it has no real basis for making an adjustment. Cost to cure is a quantitative analysis. Polling is a qualitative analysis. Quoting from my old copy of The Appraisal of Real Estate.

Personal interviews can reveal the opinions of knowledgeable individuals participating in the subject's market. This information is ...secondary data. It should not be used as the sole criterion for estimating adjustments or reconciling value ranges if an alternative method that relies on primary data can be applied.

Cost is primary data. You have a better way than guessing.
 
T. getting an adjustment from other sales, RE agent surveys and trends is not pulling an adjustment out of the air.
In addition, some of these cases sees no adjustment, esp if the repair amount is so minor.
 
The reason a client asks for a C2C estimate on an "as is" appraisal, because they want to feel comfortable about lending as is - if the loan defaults day after closing, was the cost to cure to finish the bathroom, $2000 or $10,000 or $20,000 - if cost is above a certain threshold they might feel not want to lend on it "as is", and might ask it be made "Subject to" repair/completion instead.

The adjustment, if any to make or what to put on teh grid. is up to appraiser. The problem here is the client instructing the appraiser what to do and how to value it.
If a lender threw a c2c request, that's a new assignment with a new SOW and a new fee.
Oh... and they're not going to tell me how to do my valuation on my SCA... unless they want to sign it.
 
If a lender threw a c2c request, that's a new assignment with a new SOW and a new fee.
Oh... and they're not going to tell me how to do my valuation on my SCA... unless they want to sign it.
Imo, it does not need a new assignment , to add more information to the original assignment if a the cost is a comment or estimate in the addendum - I would not charge an additional fee unless the CA was extensive and needed lots of research but that is a business decision.

I agree with your second comment! which references what I posted earlier, a client instructing an appraiser how to appraise, telling appraiser they must put the C2C on the grid and adjust for it.
 
I would not charge an additional fee unless the CA was extensive and needed lots of research but that is a business decision.
Getting out of bed is a lot of work.
 
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estimate of cost to cure your opinion

What's the difference between an estimate and an opinion? If the subject needs X amount for new facia boards or something, what's wrong with subtracting that from the comps? I think seeking out market reaction for a cost to cure is a bit much.
 
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