The New USPAP

[djd09]

unwritten laws...imagine driving and the speed limit is the minimum of 60 or the judge sentences you to the minimum of 5 years...insanity

 

[George Hatch]

Except the laws, rules and regs are not unwritten, so that strawman argument you just built doesn't exist.

 

[djd09]

USPAP requires the appraiser to meet the Clients SOW requirements they agree to . The SOWR is about appraisal development decisions.

client wants...client gets...that is not impartial

 

[djd09]

Except the laws, rules and regs are not unwritten, so that strawman argument you just built doesn't exist.

oh they are not...that is why we need to buy the book...i dont have time to teach you about the constitution so just wallow in your own ignorance

 

[DWiley]

The biggest problem appraisers have with USPAP is the tendency to conflate user-driven requirements with USPAP minimums. And not reading the source text for what it actually says. And doesn't say.

And when NONE of the members of a state board have previously been exposed to the distinction between those two concepts that's where the misinterpretation and emo-rulings occur.

This. 100%.

When I worked as a reviewer for my own state board I often had to swim upstream against some board member wanting to enforce that board member's view of best practice, rather than the actual requirements written in USPAP.

In a case in another state, I was one of two former ASB chairs that testified that the USPAP did not require a certain thing (which the defendant had been charged with) - that board ignored the testimony (*and the actual text of USPAP) and found the appraiser guilty of violating something that USPAP did not even require.

It is an inherent challenge with the current system. Appraisers want appraisers on state boards (for very understandable reasons), but state board members are often/usually political appointees who may or may not have any USPAP expertise.

 

[Fernando]

"The hard way". You mean he read the Standards and maybe actually paid attention during USPAP class?

He was like George knowing Standards and page numbers and such.

 

[Fernando]

'Nando.... that's one of the most asinine things you've ever posted. AMCs do not have to comply with USPAP... Appraisers do. The fact that you hold an appraiser certification from the state is an indication that you have received training in USPAP. This issue just seems to be something else that you'd rather whine about than do the work to become knowledgeable.

AMCs need to know USPAP. Oh, it's too hard for them to understand.
AMC is first line of screening so to get at least basic competence to do the appraisal. Then what is the AMC responsibility? Just finding lowest fee appraisers? A computer can do that.

 

[George Hatch]

He was like George knowing Standards and page numbers and such.

Asked and answered. The point I was driving at is that USPAP up through SR2 is relatively few pages. Not too many to read, not too much material for an appraiser to consider, not too much to understand.

 

[djd09]

well, when the state boards accepts any compliant, like value, even from unintended clients, it makes them look like a kangaroo court and that makes USPAP useless and them corrupt

 

[George Hatch]

Just because there's a complaint doesn't mean the appraiser is going to get in trouble. In my state 30% of the complaints don't even get past the initial screening because there's no specific appraisal deficiencies being alleged. Another large percentage (something like 40%) have no negative findings at all and another percentage have only minor findings that won't be publicized, so no long term effects on the licensee. Only the worst of the worst get suspensions or revocations.

What the state boards do and don't do with accepting complaints is established by the state. Not by TAF. If you don't like what your state board is doing then maybe you should be telling them they look like a kangaroo court