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These are the Morons Who are Running Climate with Our Government

There is so much evidence out there that man-made global warming... er... global cooling... er... global climate change... whatever the heck it's called... It's a hoax.

 
There is so much evidence out there that man-made global warming... er... global cooling... er... global climate change... whatever the heck it's called... It's a hoax.

They are running out of labels for it. Next it will be Climate Dysphoria.
 
Remember the New Green Deal the end of humanity was coming in 10 year's unless we immediately took action. Now Zip Nada, cricket's don't hear a peep from the Democrats.
 
Unreliable. First, it works half the day on average over a year and is low input mornings and afternoons. Second, it can only work at night with storage. Next, these farms are huge and to do as much as half the energy we will need, will necessarily cover hundreds of square miles. So, where will they be built? Certainly not in the cities that consume the electricity. Nor will they cover government lands, mountains, oil fields, mines, subdivisions, so where? Where else? Millions upon millions of acres of farm and ranch land, the very breadbasket of the nation. So, I guess we won't starve in the dark at least, just starve. Fourth. By covering acres upon acres, we reduce the ability of vegetation to generate oxygen and consume CO2. So, we actually would create more CO2 with solar panels than we would as open spaces. Storage would consume all the resources 10x over what we need today.
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Elon said this in 2011

You could generate all the electricity that the United States needs with about a 100 mile by 100 mile grid of solar power. So you just take like a corner of Arizona, and that would be all the energy that the United States needs.”

So I asked Grok this

Given today's technology how much would it cost to install a 100 x 100 square mile solar farm with all accompanying transmission lines, energy storage and infrastructure and feed it to the national power grid if it's feasible at all. Then calculate how much energy it would produce then compare that energy production/cost to coal, natural gas, hydro electric and nuclear ranking them in order of best to worst in $/GW produced

And got this answer

Absolutely feasible with 2025 tech. Total cost for 100x100 mi solar farm + transmission, 10 TWh storage, grid integration: ~$3T. Produces ~4,200 TWh/yr, powering all US needs. LCOE rankings ($/MWh, best to worst): Solar (37), Natural Gas (39), Hydro (54), Nuclear (76), Coal (108). Solar wins on cost & sustainability!

Why is this wrong I will admit I've never heard solar is the most efficient means of $/GW sounds off
 
Elon said this in 2011

You could generate all the electricity that the United States needs with about a 100 mile by 100 mile grid of solar power. So you just take like a corner of Arizona, and that would be all the energy that the United States needs.”

So I asked Grok this

Given today's technology how much would it cost to install a 100 x 100 square mile solar farm with all accompanying transmission lines, energy storage and infrastructure and feed it to the national power grid if it's feasible at all. Then calculate how much energy it would produce then compare that energy production/cost to coal, natural gas, hydro electric and nuclear ranking them in order of best to worst in $/GW produced

And got this answer

Absolutely feasible with 2025 tech. Total cost for 100x100 mi solar farm + transmission, 10 TWh storage, grid integration: ~$3T. Produces ~4,200 TWh/yr, powering all US needs. LCOE rankings ($/MWh, best to worst): Solar (37), Natural Gas (39), Hydro (54), Nuclear (76), Coal (108). Solar wins on cost & sustainability!

Why is this wrong I will admit I've never heard solar is the most efficient means of $/GW sounds off
Having a single generating source for all of the electricity for the U.S. is ignorant if just not plain stupid. How easy of a target would that be for those that have nefarious intentions. Think about the power loss when transmitting that power thousand of miles to the east coast. The grid between say Arizona and the east coast would almost have to have a high capacity direct line to the east coast to handle it. Using existing grids would require upgrading to handle large amounts of "pass through" power to leap frog to the areas that would have high demand. What happens if you have a failure between AZ and the east coast or any high usage area, millions without power instead of hundreds or thousands at a time. Is it even possible to find 10,000 sq miles suitable for that large of a project. It is a theory at the best since I am sure that Grok didn't take into account the additional limitations and requirements, including the estimated $5T needed to just upgrade the current grid
 
hy is this wrong I will admit I've never heard solar is the most efficient means of $/GW sounds off
A - the size of the storage batteries (and there would necessarily be hundreds of them) would be tremendous and outstrip the entire supply of lithium worldwide just for the US.
B - the environmental hazards would be worse than all the pollution that exists today. Re= the battery facility fire in LA during the winter fires.
C - Such a system would be requiring a capacity in the terawatt-hours (TWh).
D - a 100 mile by 100 mile concentration of solar panels struck by a huge storm, lightning, tornado, or fire would blackout the entire nation.
E - Pick a 10,000 SQ Mile area of any state that is unoccupied, build this system, and not destroy an entire ecology? White Sands? Zuni reservation? Navajo Reservation? Painted Desert? Which Indian reservation gets sacrificed? Tohono O'Odham? Ft. Apache? Gila River? Or Kofa Natl Refuge? Who gets sacrificed for the "good of the nation"?
F - Solar panels are best for home use and little more. And even those destabilize the grid. When a huge amount of wind hit the NW, it generated a huge amount of electricity from wind generators which, by law, was required to be used or pay for anyway. So, in such events, the entire base grid must shut down while wind is monitored by the second and idled gas and coal plants are still maintaining steam pressure to respond instantly if the wind suddenly slows. It is totally inefficient and wrecks the efficiency of the entire grid.

Remember when the entire grid was shut down a few years ago? The blackout of 2003 started with a mere limb on a power line. It was a hot day and people were turning on AC. the powerlines got hot which expands and the lines sag. One sagged into a limb and the automatic shutdown triggered an effort to maintain power on other lines that now were overloaded. This resulted in a cascade of sequential shutdowns that affected several states and even up into Canada. It was a rolling blackout. More than 508 generating units at 265 power plants shut down during the outage & It took hours to restore. That's because you have to energize each line as you slowly ramp up the generating power.
 
The heat island effect is real. Cities are up to 8 degrees hotter than surrounding rural areas... on average...and yes the "average" is based upon temperature stations that are supposed to be so many feet away from buildings, concrete etc. and in a wooden or insulated box shaded from sun. Many stations have been compromised by construction. Since many stations are on campuses or airports, new construction and new parking lots often encroach the stations without being moved.

 
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