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Change report from purchase to refinace

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Green Hornet

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Appraisal was done in August 08 for a purchase...loan closed. Buyer wants to refinance and lender is asking that the August report be changed to a refinance and to reflect that the borrower and the owner are now the same.

I have not seen this one before.

Your thoughts??
 
New assignment, Intended Use, Effective Date, SOW (including photos & walkthru), new market conditions analysis, possibly new comparables. Fee commensurate with time served.
 
Aye Yi Yi-is that question for real. No wonder so many users of our services think that they can run over any and every appraiser.
 
Appraisal was done in August 08 for a purchase...loan closed. Buyer wants to refinance and lender is asking that the August report be changed to a refinance and to reflect that the borrower and the owner are now the same.

I have not seen this one before.

Your thoughts??


I assume that this is for a mortgage finance transaction consistent with GSE (Freddie/Fannie) standards. If so, I'll reword your question a bit to cut to the chase:
Q: Can this be done without committing fraud?
A: No.
Q: What would be the preferred (non-fraudulent/USPAP compliant) course to take?
A: See Mike K's first post.

Good luck! :new_smile-l:
 
Mike, Denis,

Thank you both for your input. It helps to solidify my initial reaction.

Sandy,

Not quite sure how to take your statement???
 
Mike, Denis,

Thank you both for your input. It helps to solidify my initial reaction.

Sandy,

Not quite sure how to take your statement???




Drink more !! :rof:



The lenders request is most probably to circumvent any declines in the market that may have occurred. Dont fall prey .... you are doing the right thing. Remember this .. you are the only appraiser that can simply change the owner and purchase statements ... if you dont they need a new appraisal anyway. Might as well get one from you and pay for it.

Good work.
 
Appraisal was done in August 08 for a purchase...loan closed. Buyer wants to refinance and lender is asking that the August report be changed to a refinance and to reflect that the borrower and the owner are now the same.

I have not seen this one before.

Your thoughts??

I would tell them to KMA.
 
Mike, Denis,

Thank you both for your input. It helps to solidify my initial reaction.

Sandy,

Not quite sure how to take your statement???

Sorry Green Hornet-it's just hard to believe that you have never encountered this request before. Consider yourself lucky!
 
Sorry Green Hornet-it's just hard to believe that you have never encountered this request before. Consider yourself lucky!

Sandy,

From your comment, I assume that you have encountered this scenario.

If you are willing, I would love to hear how you dealt with it.

Thanks
 
G.H.

If you stop stressing yourself out trying to come up with a way to finesse an appraisal order out of the uninformed, the plain stupid, or a person trying to scam things, and just deal with it from a position of asking them to face the truth... it's really easy. All you have to do is uncover which of the three you are dealing with. If it is the later of the three, and you still attempt to finesse an order out of it, then this would make you a complete and total loser that doesn't really deserve the forums help anyway. So all you need to do is determine the type of person you are dealing with. I hope it is one of the first two.

Dear Prospective Client,

From the wording of your request I feel there might be some confusion as compliance on my part doing what you have asked, the way it is worded, would mean you and I both would be committing federal loan fraud. Because the resulting fraudulent real estate appraisal would certainly become a federal lending document later. Case in point, if you consider the effective date of that prior real estate appraisal, located at ................................ in the report, you will note this was a date subtantially prior to the closing of that sale to your current borrower, the buyer at that time. So briefly, your current borrower, the buyer, did not own the property on that date. To make it look as if they did would be fraudulent. So I am sure this is not what you intended. That means you have to have an opinion of value as of a point in time your borrower actually owned the real estate. That would be a new appraisal assignment.

To move forward, we need to identify what your needs really are. Please recheck the lending requirements on the specific loan type you are working with regarding the appraisal requirements and contact me so we can discuss the options available. I can best aid you in working with your borrower in this manner.

Thank You,

Appraiser

P.S. I'd be ready to explain to them why asking for a date out of the past is a Retrospective assignment that would require I 100% disclose the current market as well as explain the past market. So not only would this cost more than simply ordering a new "Current" real estate appraisal, it would not avoid statements I would have to make in any Retrospective assignment that the market has been in decline since that prior past effective date. So that other intended users would not be deceived by what would amount to a misleading report otherwise. A scammer is not going to like this for an answer as to why it doesn't really get them anywhere asking for a past date to be used for a refinance purpose.
 
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