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CICI67

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Hi, I have a couple of questions regarding a recent relocation appraisal of our home. My husband and I were offered an Appraised Value home deal as part of a relocation package handled by Sirva.

2 appraisals were conducted. One was from very nearby and had a great handle on our area. The other was from further away and did not have a great handle on the intracies of our neighborhood, bypassing many obvious comps. in our neighborhood to go out to a less desirable neighborhood. This included an identical house about 10 houses away that recently sold that I was in and it is IDENTICAL to our home (at least based upon baths/bedrooms/layout, etc.) I am not getting in to any subjective criteria (e.g., decor, appeal, etc. here) Both our realtor and the local appraiser at least took most/all comps. from our neighborhood.

What has us puzzled is that both appraisers did not use a comp. that is 2 doors away from us (in a very densely populated neighborhood -- we can read their sign clearly from our driveway!) The house is nearly identical in design except: 1) we believe our neighbors house is about about 50- 100 sq. feet larger per the plats/appraisers measurements of our home, but about 150 feet larger per public tax records and 2) while both our houses are split level; however, the neighbors have 2 baths up, whereas one of our baths in partially below grade (in the lowest level of our 3 level split.) I would understand this house not being considered a comp. if this bathroom difference alone made a difference, however, most of the other comps. used by both appraisers were identified as 1 1/2 or 2 bedroom homes above grade. So that does not seem to be the case.

The only other reason I suspect they may not have been a comp. is because they have been on the market for about 6 months. Is this a typical exclusion based upon days on market?

Also, we are looking to have our appraisals reviewed/reconsidered/appealed, particularly the work of the appraiser that was from outside of our area. We live in a major metropolitan area and I am sure that there are many other appraisers that meet Sirva's qualifications but apparently Sirva had to go past them to find ones that would do their bidding. That's my second question: how are these appraisals for major relocation companies typically handled. I know that Sirva does not want to own my home, but the results of the appraisals seem almost laughable. We had a refinance appraisal done 5 months earlier that came up with a number 15% higher. I know the market was slow there for a while in our area, but it seems much more is at play here than the 5 months time differential in the market and the understandable differences between the refi. appraisal vs. the relo. appraisal with its 120 days for sale guidelines.

Help! We are very frustrated and admittedly concerned about the integrity of the whole process.

Sorry this is so long.
 
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What has us puzzled is that both appraisers did not use a comp. that is 2 doors away from us (in a very densely populated neighborhood -- we can read their sign clearly from our driveway!)

Is this property listed for sale?

Sales comparables should be closed sales.
 
Yes it is for sale. Both appraisers included 3 for sale and 3-4 recent sales.
 
Ask Sirva to reconsider the value with the inclusion or at least an explanation of why the close by listing is not included?

Listings in a slower market sometimes have more of an effect on value than historic closed sales that are somewhat aged. It doesn't take a long time for sales to be somewhat irrelevant, depending on your market activity.

Regarding the refinance, you should have a copy of that appraisal, send it to Sirva and ask them to also consider the information in that appraisal.
 
I haven't performed a relocation appraisal in a long time, however when I was doing them, usually the homeowner was provided with a list of appraisers on the compnay's approved list from which to choose. Were you not provided with a list?

Relocation "appraisals" are not like refinance or purchase appraisals. The appraiser must consider what it would take to have your home in a "neutral" condition, they must forescast what the market will be in 60, 90 and 120 days and what it will take to discount the property for a "quick" under 30 day sale. Typically the appraisers,(and there is always 2, sometimes 3 if the first two vary in value by a set percentage), will use sales, and competing listings and they are also supposed to ask you to provide a list of known sales and listings that you think are comparable. They are also supposed to explain, in the report, if they used the sales and listings you provided and if not why not.

You are entitled to an appeal and if you are disatisfied contact SIRVA and let them know.

You are corect in your thinking that SIRVA does not want to own your house, however they are trying to ascertain what it is going to take to sell you house FAST if they need to buy it from you and then market it themselves.
 
The listing represents what the sellers want, it doesn't represent what the property will end up being worth in the market unless they can persuade a buyer to agree to it. So far no such buyer has emerged, which calls into question how realistic that list price is. Listings are completely irrelevant in a relocation appraisal, but neither are they usually given much consideration. Even if an appraiser did include that listing it probably would have no bearing on the outcome of the appraisal. No one sale (or listing) will make or break an appraisal because an appraisal is supposed to be about identifying the trend.

If the two appraisals vary from each other very much they will be subject to review and the one that has the less comparable data will either be repaired or replaced. That's why relocation companies order two appraisals in the first place - to keep you from getting stuck with an unreasonable appraisal.
 
A listing can be used to illustrate the upper limit of value under the theory that a buyer will not pay more for the subject property than the asking price of comparable properties.

I would suggest that you hire your own appraiser to give you an unbiased opinion. If you have copies of the appraisals used by the relo company you may want to have them reviewed.

Please keep in mind that sales which you may think are comparable may not be useable for a number of reasons, ie non arms length transactions, large seller concessions, inability to confirm data, sales through brokers whose information the appraisers have found to be unreliable.
 
ERC - Relocation Appraisals

An ERC or relocation appraisal differs from a standard appraisal for lending purposes for several reasons. First, not all ERC appraisal criteria is always the same. It often depends on SIRVA's client who is the employer involved in the job relocation or transfer. Some clients have different guidelines.

Typically speaking, however, if the ERC form is requested, the appraiser is instructed to render the subject's most probable selling price with a marketing time not to exceed 120 days.

The objective of the ERC appraisal to assist the client in a buyout of the property from the transferee to free them up and (hopefully) provide them the funds to purchase a new home at their new destination.

If the client takes this property into inventory, they need to price it in such a way that it will sell within the prescribed 90-120 guideline.

Typically, there are two independent ERC appraisals ordered. If the values are within 5% they generally average the two and extend the buyout offer.

If the values are more than 5% out of spread they will order a third and average the two closest appraised values.

If a transferee is not happy with the final buyout offer, they often have the ability to appeal the appraisals. If you elect to appeal, I would suggest you get your information together and present it in an organized, professional way avoiding as little 'emotion' as possbile. Stick to the facts and ask the appraiser(s) why or why not they did or didn't use a parcticular sale or listing. This is not a time to start attacking the appraiser(s) personally which many unhappy and frustrated transferees are often known to do.

I beg to differ with many on this Forum about the often invaluable information provided by the current, competitive listings and pending sales. FNMA really missed the boat in their beta testing when they eliminated the current competitive listings from the standard lending forms.

The listings for ERC purposes assists the appraiser in valuing the home in such a way that it will hopefully sell ahead of much of the competition. The ERC value is not intended to be a fire or distress sale price, BUT a realistic, competitive value. Once the relocation company takes this property into inventory, the carrying costs start to accumulate.

It all goes back to the fundamental "principle of substitution". If I can purchase a like property or a suitable alternative substitute, why would I pay signficantly more for your property?


As I've said many times before, closed sales represent historic market data and often do NOT reflect 'current' market trends. ALL the market data should be analyzed. How else can one form an opinion as to whether the market is increasing, declining or stablizing?

You are certainly free to go and hire another appraiser, but I seriously doubt the relocation company will give it any consideration whatsoever. I would suggest working with your listing Realtor to gather information on the current sales and listings to use in your appeal.

If you are still dissatisfied with the final buyout offer and are in total disagreement as to the values of the ERC appraisals, you always have the option of selling the property yourself. In fact, many clients offer a bonus incentive if you do end up selling it yourself.

I'll go out a limb here, but I would suspect that the reason the active listing across the street was not used was because of its days on market (DOM) and/or its selling price was considered to be so far out of the ballpark that it really served no real substantive purpose. Overpriced listings typically only prove they're just that--overpriced. The ERC appraiser is concerned with direct competition. If that makes any sense.

And lastly, ERC appraisals are fully USPAP compliant.
 
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We had a refinance appraisal done 5 months earlier that came up with a number 15% higher

How far apart are the two appraisals that were done recently, I doubt the relo company or the appraisers have any kind of conspiracy to bring in a low value. You always have the option of selling on your own, why dont you just do that if you think your home is worth more than they are willing to pay?. A home a few doors down on the market for 6 months...whats the asking price of that home? Finally the home listed but not sold is not a comparable.
 
Jorce Potts gave you a wonderful answer- it was what I was going to say... but she did it better.
 
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