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FHA case transfers to another lender

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Pomonstrrr

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Hey there. Sorry for the random question. I'm working with a small AMC and they has an FHA appraisal assignment where the borrower decided not to go with that lender and took their business to another lender. So lender A "transferred" the case number over to the new lender. The new lender has contacted the AMC to condition the old appraisal. Apparently, lender B called the original appraiser's office and asked them if they can make these changes. The appraisers office said that they can, but it has to go through the AMC. Uh, am I not getting something? Isn't new lender supposed to order it as a new full inspection because they are not the intended user? They're claiming that because the FHA case was transferred to them (lender B) that they can use the original.

Thanks for any insight!
 
Hey there. Sorry for the random question. I'm working with a small AMC and they has an FHA appraisal assignment where the borrower decided not to go with that lender and took their business to another lender. So lender A "transferred" the case number over to the new lender. The new lender has contacted the AMC to condition the old appraisal. Apparently, lender B called the original appraiser's office and asked them if they can make these changes. The appraisers office said that they can, but it has to go through the AMC. Uh, am I not getting something? Isn't new lender supposed to order it as a new full inspection because they are not the intended user? They're claiming that because the FHA case was transferred to them (lender B) that they can use the original.

Thanks for any insight!

Intended User ....don't get confused with GSE reports & FHA/ HUD. Google FHA Lender (appraisal) transfers case number. Thread chat is here and It's in the Handbook!

In cases where a borrower has switched lenders, the first lender must, at the borrower's request, transfer the case to the second lender. FHA does not require that the client name on the appraisal be changed when it is transferred to another lender
 
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Intended User ....don't get confused with GSE reports & FHA/ HUD. Google FHA Lender (appraisal) transfers case number. It's in the Handbook!
Thank you! I just found the answer in FAQ's. I should have went there first.
 
Do not do anything. If they cannot accept it as is, they must order a new appraisal. Quote it verbatim out of the 4000.1
 
Do not do anything. If they cannot accept it as is, they must order a new appraisal. Quote it verbatim out of the 4000.1

Exactly! So many times the 2nd lender will try to get something in the report changed/corrected/clarified etc, however per FHA, it is a take it of leave it situation. If any changes are made to the original report, it is considered to be a new assignment.
 
Exactly! So many times the 2nd lender will try to get something in the report changed/corrected/clarified etc, however per FHA, it is a take it of leave it situation. If any changes are made to the original report, it is considered to be a new assignment.

Not necessarily, but I'm too tired to struggle over it. :)
 
Per the Handbook pg 87: (7) Transferring Existing Appraisals
In cases where a Borrower has switched Mortgagees, the first Mortgagee must, at the Borrower’s request, transfer the appraisal to the second Mortgagee within five business days. The Appraiser is not required to provide the appraisal to the new Mortgagee. The client name on the appraisal does not need to reflect the new Mortgagee. If the original Mortgagee has not been reimbursed for the cost of the appraisal, the Mortgagee is not required to transfer the appraisal until it is reimbursed.
The second Mortgagee may not request the Appraiser to re-address the appraisal. If the second Mortgagee finds deficiencies in the appraisal, the Mortgagee must order a new appraisal.
And pg 88-89: (a) Second Appraisal by Original Mortgagee
A second appraisal may only be ordered if the Direct Endorsement (DE) underwriter (underwriter) determines the first appraisal is materially deficient and the Appraiser is unable or uncooperative in resolving the deficiency. The Mortgagee must fully document the deficiency and status of the appraisal in the mortgage file. The Mortgagee must pay for the second appraisal.
Material deficiencies on appraisals are those deficiencies that have a direct impact on value and marketability. Material deficiencies include, but are not limited to:
• failure to report readily observable defects that impact the health and safety of the occupants and/or structural soundness of the house;
• reliance upon outdated or dissimilar comparable sales when more recent and/or comparable sales were available as of the effective date of the appraisal; and
• fraudulent statements or conclusions when the Appraiser had reason to know or should have known that such statements or conclusions compromise the integrity, accuracy and/or thoroughness of the appraisal submitted to the client.
(b) Second Appraisal by Second Mortgagee
A second appraisal may only be ordered by the second Mortgagee under the following limited circumstances:
• the first appraisal contains material deficiencies as determined by the underwriter for the second Mortgagee;
• the Appraiser performing the first appraisal is prohibited from performing appraisals for the second Mortgagee; or
• the first Mortgagee fails to provide a copy of the appraisal to the second Mortgagee in a timely manner, and the failure would cause a delay in closing and harm to the Borrower, including loss of interest rate lock, violation of purchase contract deadline, occurrence of foreclosure proceedings and imposition of late fees.
(c) Use of Second Appraisal
For the first two cases outlined above, the Mortgagee must rely only on the second appraisal and ensure that copies of both appraisals are retained in the case binder. For the third case above, the first appraisal must be added to the case binder if it is received.
 
FHA appraisals follow the property, regardless of the lender. The FHA appraisal can even be transferred when there is a different borrower. The only way a new appraisal can be ordered is if the lender or borrower can prove the original appraisal is deficient and unreliable OR if it has expired after 4 months then a new appraisal is required. As long as it's the same FHA case number, there shouldn't be any need to change anything.

What changes is lender B asking for anyways? I wouldn't change anything and if you are not the original appraiser, how do you fit into all of this?
 
Per the Handbook pg 87: (7) Transferring Existing Appraisals
In cases where a Borrower has switched Mortgagees, the first Mortgagee must, at the Borrower’s request, transfer the appraisal to the second Mortgagee within five business days. The Appraiser is not required to provide the appraisal to the new Mortgagee. The client name on the appraisal does not need to reflect the new Mortgagee. If the original Mortgagee has not been reimbursed for the cost of the appraisal, the Mortgagee is not required to transfer the appraisal until it is reimbursed.
The second Mortgagee may not request the Appraiser to re-address the appraisal. If the second Mortgagee finds deficiencies in the appraisal, the Mortgagee must order a new appraisal.
And pg 88-89: (a) Second Appraisal by Original Mortgagee
A second appraisal may only be ordered if the Direct Endorsement (DE) underwriter (underwriter) determines the first appraisal is materially deficient and the Appraiser is unable or uncooperative in resolving the deficiency. The Mortgagee must fully document the deficiency and status of the appraisal in the mortgage file. The Mortgagee must pay for the second appraisal.
Material deficiencies on appraisals are those deficiencies that have a direct impact on value and marketability. Material deficiencies include, but are not limited to:
• failure to report readily observable defects that impact the health and safety of the occupants and/or structural soundness of the house;
• reliance upon outdated or dissimilar comparable sales when more recent and/or comparable sales were available as of the effective date of the appraisal; and
• fraudulent statements or conclusions when the Appraiser had reason to know or should have known that such statements or conclusions compromise the integrity, accuracy and/or thoroughness of the appraisal submitted to the client.
(b) Second Appraisal by Second Mortgagee
A second appraisal may only be ordered by the second Mortgagee under the following limited circumstances:
• the first appraisal contains material deficiencies as determined by the underwriter for the second Mortgagee;
• the Appraiser performing the first appraisal is prohibited from performing appraisals for the second Mortgagee; or
• the first Mortgagee fails to provide a copy of the appraisal to the second Mortgagee in a timely manner, and the failure would cause a delay in closing and harm to the Borrower, including loss of interest rate lock, violation of purchase contract deadline, occurrence of foreclosure proceedings and imposition of late fees.
(c) Use of Second Appraisal
For the first two cases outlined above, the Mortgagee must rely only on the second appraisal and ensure that copies of both appraisals are retained in the case binder. For the third case above, the first appraisal must be added to the case binder if it is received.
What cracks me up is all FHA underwriters know this and hope they typical appraiser does not in hopes of getting changes done to fit their guidelines.

I recently got an email from a lender I had never heard of informing me that a buyer switched lenders from my client to them. I performed an appraisal 3 weeks prior. The underwriter wanted “revisions” to my appraisal. They consisted of changing the lender name to them and other stips above and beyond what FHA required. I told them that they are not my client and I would only do the “revisions” if they engaged me to do a new appraisal for full fee (good luck with that since I made no “material deficiencies”). I never got a response so they knew they had no argument.
 
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