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Grandfathering $250k commercial work?

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Marcia Langley

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Help me understand the changed/unchanged status of grandfathered cert res' being able to appraise up to $250k of commercial property.

I understand this much:

Prior to some date, maybe Feb'2005, cert res could do small noncomplex commercial. After that date, existing cert res were grandfathered but new cert res were not allowed to do commercial of any amount.

Here is the scope of practice in the June MREAC newsletter:


MISSOURI REAL ESTATE APPRAISERS COMMISSION DIVISION OF PROFESSIONAL REGISTRATION

THIS RULE BECAME EFFECTIVE FEBRUARY 28, 2005

COMPETENCY AND SCOPE OF PRACTICE STANDARDS

Title 20—DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND
PROFESSIONAL REGISTRATION
Division 2245—Real Estate Appraisers
Chapter 9—Competency and Scope of Practice Standards
20 CSR 2245-9.010 Competency and Scope of Practice Standards

PURPOSE: This rule sets the scope of practice standards for the development and communication of real estate appraisals
by state-certi
fi ed general real estate appraisers, state-certifi ed residential real estate appraisers, and state-licensed real estate
appraisers.

(1) Prior to accepting an assignment or entering into an agreement to perform any assignment, an appraiser shall properly
identify the problem to be addressed and have the knowledge and experience to complete the assignment competently; or
alternatively, must:
(A) Disclose the lack of knowledge and/or experience to the client before accepting the assignment;
(B) Take all steps necessary or appropriate to complete the assignment competently; and
(C) Describe the lack of knowledge and/or experience and the steps taken to complete the assignment competently in
the report.
(2) If an appraiser discovers during the course of an appraisal assignment that he or she lacks the required knowledge or experience
to complete the assignment competently, at the point of such discovery, the appraiser shall notify the client and comply
with subsections (1)(B) and (1)(C) of this rule.
(3) Notwithstanding the requirements and allowances of sections (1) and (2) of this rule, state-certi
fi ed and state-licensed real
estate appraisers shall limit their practice to the development and communication of real estate appraisals as follows:
(A) State-certi
fi ed general real estate appraisers may perform appraisals on all types of real estate regardless of complexity
or transaction value and may perform appraisal consulting, if, and only if, performed in compliance with all state and
federal laws, rules and regulations pertaining to the appraisal assignment;
(B) State-certi
fi ed residential real estate appraisers may perform appraisals on residential real estate of one to four
(1–4) residential units without regard to transaction value or complexity and may perform appraisal consulting in the area of residential
real estate, if, and only if, performed in compliance with all state and federal laws, rules and regulations pertaining to the
appraisal assignment. This designation permits the appraisal of vacant or unimproved land that may be utilized for one- to four-
(1–4) family purposes. This certi
fi cation does not permit the appraisal of subdivisions or of agricultural real estate. Individual
parcels of property located within a residential subdivision shall be considered residential real estate. For all other appraisals,
the appraisal report shall be signed by the state-certi
fi ed residential real estate appraiser and a state-certifi ed general real estate
appraiser. For the purposes of this rule, “agricultural real estate” shall be de
fi ned as improved or unimproved land with a highest
and best use and primary purpose devoted to income production by crops, livestock and other products of the soil (fruit, pasture,
timberland, etc).
(C) State-licensed real estate appraisers may perform appraisals of real property consisting of one (1) residential unit, if,
and only if, performed in compliance with all state and federal laws, rules and regulations pertaining to the appraisal assignment.
For all other appraisals, the appraisal report shall be signed by the state-licensed real estate appraiser and a state-certi
fi ed real
estate appraiser.
(4) A state-licensed or state-certi
fi ed real estate appraiser shall be exempt from the provisions of section (3) of this rule if providing
valuation services in a setting for which licensure or certi
fi cation would not be required under section 339.501.5, RSMo. In
all other instances, a real estate appraiser must comply fully with sections (1), (2) and (3) of this rule. Sections (1), (2) and (3)
shall not be interpreted so as to except a real estate appraiser from compliance with the other sections.
(5) Prior to July 1, 2007, the provisions of section (3) of this rule shall not apply to any person that was certi
fi ed or licensed as a
real estate appraiser before the effective date of this rule.

AUTHORITY: section 339.509(5), RSMo 2000.* This rule originally
fi led as 4 CSR 245-9.010. Original rule fi led June 25, 2004,
effective Feb. 28, 2005. Moved to 20 CSR 2245-9.010, effective Aug. 28, 2006.

*Original authority: 339.509, RSMo 1990, amended 1998.


I highlighted the significant part. Does this mean that grandfathering has been eliminated for all on a going forward basis?


 
Does this mean that grandfathering has been eliminated for all on a going forward basis?

at the meeting of minds I attended in Kansas City it was the overall consensus that as of July 1, 2007 all grandfathering has been terminated.
 
Thanks Hall, I knew that was the plan some time ago but the printed material seemed a little vague to me.

I was never grandfathered so I hadn't payed close attention.
 
Yes!

This was made very clear to us at the meeting in Lake Ozark with the Commission. The words were direct, NO!

I wish I had paid more attention earlier to upgrade. By the time I learned, I could have, however it would have costed me work. I would have had to do free appraisals of commerical buildings to gain experience. I had nobody wanting a residential appraiser doing commerical work. :shrug:

at the meeting of minds I attended in Kansas City it was the overall consensus that as of July 1, 2007 all grandfathering has been terminated.
 
Yes, we are stuck just like the trainees being dependent on supervisors. In times like these it's a long shot.

I think it's good, though, that some hours can be obtained in classroom case studies.
 
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