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Gutted House

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Kanon18

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Any advice on how to tackle this type of assignment? I've looked for fixer's, tear downs and land sales, maybe one gutted house that sold 3 years ago. I might have to pass on this assignment, I wanted to see what you all think. Non-lender assignment.
 
You can adjust for market conditions... if it's non-lender, you can also place more weight on the CA. Unless I had ample business, I'd take it on - might even be able to charge a higher fee due to the complexity of the assignment...
 
You can adjust for market conditions... if it's non-lender, you can also place more weight on the CA. Unless I had ample business, I'd take it on - might even be able to charge a higher fee due to the complexity of the assignment...
Thank you for your response. They have plans although they haven't been approved with the city. The appraisal would be "as is" although I would use the plans as a resource for the CA. Definitely a higher fee.
 
In my market, something like that is almost always sold to a flipper/investor type who will complete the repairs and resell the property (part of your HBU analysis should be to determine the most likely buyer of the subject). The ones I have talked to, and who have been successful over the last several decades, have told me their approach to gauging what to pay for the property in its current condition is first to estimate what they expect to be able to sell it for in the "as completed" state. From that estimate, they subtract twice the sum of their estimated costs to repair the property and marketing costs (realtor commissions, closing, etc.). Doubling their estimated costs provides what we would usually term entrepreneurial profit, plus some provision for risk. The flipper I am most familiar with tells me that even though they are very disciplined in this process, on occasion, they lose money. The most recent example shared was a meth house that was not disclosed and was not on the State's website identifying such known properties. They about broke even on that one.

I have used this as a method to develop the as-is value of properties where the typical buyer would be a flipper/investor. I typically watch these properties (because I have good information as to the before condition and expected repair costs) as they are marketed in the as completed state, and have found this approach to be reliable. If the owner provides you with repair costs (from a contractor, as homeowner repairs usually ignore labor), it might be useful in your case. Finding pairs of sales for an individual property in your market that followed a similar process would help you test this, or specifically calibrate the profit demanded by those buyers in your market.
 
In my market, something like that is almost always sold to a flipper/investor type who will complete the repairs and resell the property (part of your HBU analysis should be to determine the most likely buyer of the subject). The ones I have talked to, and who have been successful over the last several decades, have told me their approach to gauging what to pay for the property in its current condition is first to estimate what they expect to be able to sell it for in the "as completed" state. From that estimate, they subtract twice the sum of their estimated costs to repair the property and marketing costs (realtor commissions, closing, etc.). Doubling their estimated costs provides what we would usually term entrepreneurial profit, plus some provision for risk. The flipper I am most familiar with tells me that even though they are very disciplined in this process, on occasion, they lose money. The most recent example shared was a meth house that was not disclosed and was not on the State's website identifying such known properties. They about broke even on that one.

I have used this as a method to develop the as-is value of properties where the typical buyer would be a flipper/investor. I typically watch these properties (because I have good information as to the before condition and expected repair costs) as they are marketed in the as completed state, and have found this approach to be reliable. If the owner provides you with repair costs (from a contractor, as homeowner repairs usually ignore labor), it might be useful in your case. Finding pairs of sales for an individual property in your market that followed a similar process would help you test this, or specifically calibrate the profit demanded by those buyers in your market.
Great information, thanks so much. I have the name of a Realtor that deals with investors that purchase this type of property, I am searching in the MLS, but I know some of these transfers are outside of the MLS. I took a class years ago for properties like this, although I never received a request until now. Thanks again for sparking my memory on entrepreneurial profit. I appreciate your response.
 
Great information, thanks so much. I have the name of a Realtor that deals with investors that purchase this type of property, I am searching in the MLS, but I know some of these transfers are outside of the MLS. I took a class years ago for properties like this, although I never received a request until now. Thanks again for sparking my memory on entrepreneurial profit. I appreciate your response.
Don't know who your client is but getting hooked up with hard money guys is a great way to branch out from lender clients. I got a hell of an education working with a couple when I was coming up.
 
In my market, a gutted house is basically going to be the value of the lot and utilities.
 
if there are sales of recent rehabd home in your MLS, then look at their last sale price. usually bought recently to rehab, so you get the 'as is' value. besides the cost of the rehab, you have cost coming & going, and the profit the developer is anticipating which most want 30% on a good day. and also understand the before fixed up sale maybe wasn't necessarily a good price. people can over pay for those fixer uppers. take into account those fixer uppers were getting to be over priced, and this current market is starting to correct that.
 
Any advice on how to tackle this type of assignment? I've looked for fixer's, tear downs and land sales, maybe one gutted house that sold 3 years ago. I might have to pass on this assignment, I wanted to see what you all think. Non-lender assignment.
Cost to Cure or Tear Down and Demo Cost and Value on Land or Lot - It's treated just how a investor would look at it, Is it more Profitable to Re-Hab or Tear down ? and build a new home :)
 
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