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KeyWhiz

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Borrower has dug out a hole to access a basement door but hasn't yet installed any stairs or railing. Hole is about 3 feet deep. My instinct is this is a hazard that FHA would call out for sure. But first time I've encountered this.

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In a word yes. Would you call it out if the door wasn't there or if it was in the middle of the yard. Is it really any different than a deck 3' off the ground with no railings?
 
I haven't read the FHA handbook ........lately. Does it mention anything about basement doors. It's not part of the GLA.
Sounds subjective. Sometimes clumsy me consider some items in house safety issues.
 
I haven't read the FHA handbook ........lately. Does it mention anything about basement doors. It's not part of the GLA.
Sounds subjective. Sometimes clumsy me consider some items in house safety issues.
Fern, Fern, Fern. It has nothing to do with the door. It has to do with the 3' hole with no steps and no barrier around the hole. I would call it out if not FHA
 
FHA does not have a specific MPR for no stairs, but, does address topography and drainage. I would likely quote these sections of the 4000.1.

iii. Determination of Defective Conditions
Definition
Defective Conditions refer to defective construction, evidence of continuing settlement, excessive dampness, leakage, decay, termites, environmental hazards or other conditions affecting the health and safety of occupants, collateral security or structural soundness of the dwelling.

Standard
The Appraiser must identify readily observable defective conditions.
Defective Conditions Requiring Repair
The Appraiser must identify defective conditions that are curable and will make the Property comply with HUD’s MPR or MPS when cured, and provide an estimated cost to cure.

iv. Site Conditions
Onsite Hazards and Nuisances
Topography
The Appraiser must notify the Mortgagee of the deficiency of MPR or MPS if the surface and subsurface water is not diverted from the dwelling to ensure positive drainage away from the foundation.

Grading and Drainage
The Appraiser must check for readily observable evidence of grading and drainage problems. Proper drainage control measures may include gutters and downspouts or appropriate grading or landscaping to divert the flow of water away from the foundation.
The Appraiser must make the appraisal subject to repair if the grading does not provide positive drainage away from the improvements.
 
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is there a drain at the bottom? wait for rainy days and see how much water is on that basement floor.
i say, yous got a headache either way.
and what are those pvc pipes going around the door. are they water, does it ever get cold enough to freeze and burst. i assume they were below the ground, but moved for the door.
i say, yous now got 2 headaches.
 
Between the hole and the plumbing re-routing, its just another redneck 'fix' that needs addressed.

Not absolutely sure about the plumbing since its typical in south FL to have the water softener and the well pump located outside and exposed to the elements. Maybe parts of NV fall into the same category.

Maybe the owner can drive some more pvc pipe into the ground and call it a guardrail?
 
Borrower has dug out a hole to access a basement door but hasn't yet installed any stairs or railing. Hole is about 3 feet deep. My instinct is this is a hazard that FHA would call out for sure. But first time I've encountered this.

Thoughts?

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lol that is funny! Blame it on the dog -
I would make it subject to installing steps and a guard rail to access the basement door - and for the PVC pipes to be inspected - not so much because they are exposed, but because on the right side a pipe sticks out of the sand it is not capped and looks like the rainwater would run right into the bottom of the hole that a dog or coyote dug -
 
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