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How do you value a property that has issues with a nearby well?

Brian F

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I am researching a property that, according to the owner has issues with the neighboring property's artesian well flooding the subject property. As far as I've found my subject property does not appear to be part of a 21-home lawsuit against the property owner with the artesian well approximately 20 feet off the subject's lot. I have not found any recent sales within the 21 lots that have been influenced by the water from this well damaging their properties and thus the lawsuit. The owner says that the well floods their yard, but no evidence was found at the time of the inspection. They say that the mounded septic system backs up and smells horrible, but no horrible smell was noticed at the time of the inspection. Is there a way to search for properties that have such an influence and determine the market value deduction if any for such a property? Has anyone appraised a property like this before with claimed water issues with no noticeable influence? I did one a while back about 12 years ago, but the whole neighborhood was flooding at the time of the inspection so the influence was easy to determine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 
Considering the presence of the lawsuit and the number of neighboring properties include. I might be wary of what the owner says. Can you access the lawsuit in any way. It might have a study of the area that could provide some insight as to the voracity of the owner's claims
 
An artesian well is a well that brings groundwater to the surface without pumping because it is under pressure within a body of rock and/or sediment known as an aquifer. wikipedia.org/wiki/Artesian_well#cite_note-: When trapped water in an aquifer is surrounded by layers of impermeable rock or clay, which apply positive pressure to the water, it is known as an artesian aquifer. If a well were to be sunk into an artesian aquifer, water in the well-pipe would rise to a height corresponding to the point where hydrostatic equilibrium is reached.

Haven't run into one of these in many years; worked for a company years ago, but don't remember ever running across one and we covered a lot of counties at the time. Good Luck
 
If natural, then I don't see how the suit can prevail. If they drilled into the artesian well and then did not cap it, then perhaps a problem. The solution would be to have a cemented well casing and put a valve to shut it off. If seasonal - that is the flow stops in dry weather, then water table is probably pretty shallow. So in a dry spell it should be easy enough to run casing and cement it with bentonite and well cement. Then run a packer into the hole, and inflate it squeezing off the water flow. then leave a 1" line in the packer to use the well, once in a pressure tank, it should be easily controlled with the pump and pressure tank unless the pressure is 100 psi or more (which is about 200' of hydraulic head.)
 
Is the owner looking for an estimate of the impact? Or just a lower value? Is this appraisal for court for evidence of damages. You can do the damage / detrimental condition appraisal without seeing the flood stage, but you'll need to have the appropriate hypothetical / extraordinary assumptions based on what you're told. Then if it's going to court you're report will be undermined by the uncertainty of the nature and location of the damage. If the owner is serious, they need to provide you with something to hang your hat on that justifies any assumptions about the extent of flooding. There might even be liability issues that impact what the neighbor is responsible for that could affect details of the assignment. Photographs, a log of how often it happens, how deep it gets, report of odors. A hydrologist's report would be best. Something though would be better than just assumptions. You can still produce the appraisal without firsthand eyes on it if you include properly described assignment conditions (HC/EA). If it's headed for court, full before and after, tons of support for every adjustment. Flooded sales will be hard. You'd want sales that experienced similar intermittent flooding, of course. It would be more reflective if the flooding was not an expected characteristic, perhaps. That is, you could look for similar sales with flood plain acreage, but there could be an expectation by purchasers that flooding happens that doesn't fully capture impact. Particularly the septic odor issue.
That's a real research heavy assignment.

As for the legal aspects, there is definitely issues that are outside the expertise of typical appraisers. It's not for you to decide if there is a case or not. When I get involved in any kind of assignment where the appraisal is likely a court room bound exhibit with me in the hot seat, I ask the owner, first thing, if they are working with an attorney.

This can become important, especially if there are complexities about the proper method of appraisal. If the owner does not have an attorney, and they really plan on using it in court I strongly advise they retain one. If they have one, I request that the property owner stop communications with me, and tell their attorney to contact me, with the intention of having the attorney engage me, with the attorney as the client. Few reasons for this. One, if it's going to court, the attorney will understand the problems the appraiser faces. Second, if other experts are needed to supply you with info, like a hydrologist, the attorney will understand, and he'll need them as witnesses as well if you need them to do your work. If there is a case, its going to have to cost less than all the expert fees, so there might need to be some preliminary appraisal work to gauge that aspect. The attorney will also have any liability issues figured out, and they can explain anything that might affect assignment conditions. All of this activity requires conversation. It also can require the appraiser being asked questions regarding different valuation methods, the existence of sale, etc. You can have these discussions with property owner, but directly with the attorney reduces back and forth. But most importantly, any thing you and the property owner talk about is discoverable. You have some off the cuff talk about some aspect of the damage that you were speculating about, and the owner can be questioned about, say something that wasn't what you said, next thing you know the court thinks you're , a hired gun. Keep all the discussions with the attorney / client, and those discussions have attorney / client privilege. No discussions can be discoverable.

I would be circumspect about this one. Real tough finding sales, lots of additional supporting data, two scenarios, court room fees, but also exposure if you're not comfortable. I would right off suggest that if this isn't some pretty good impacts that the fees are going to top out impact; another good reason to get the attorney involved. But if you're game, start calling and emailing all your contacts and pouring over those lead sheets and be ready to go back in time and spread out geographically.

As an example, I examined the impacts of a landslide near a SFR at the top of a cliff / embankment that collapsed after a construction company had dumped removed soil from other sites over the bank. They had permission to dump, but the insurance company was required to pay the owners for any loss in value because of the known slide. It had even been remediated to some extent, but the owners were claiming a lot just for the known issue. stigma essentially. I looked all over the state and found five sales at sites with similar remediated slides. But they were all totally different building styles and sizes and not in the same markets. I had to essentially do mini-valuation studies on each sale to see how much each sale was impacted and apply the reconciled indication to the subject in the after. I needed like 30 sales for the after. I think unless you have some sales you know of that this will require a far and wide search. Proceed with caution!

Fortes fortuna adiuvat, sed cacas accidibit!!
 
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Let me say this. If there is any local code like building code or whoever, you need to speak with them. Call the mayor's office if you can't figure out who to contact.

This is not the first the local govt has heard about this. Trust me.
 
I am researching a property that, according to the owner has issues with the neighboring property's artesian well flooding the subject property. As far as I've found my subject property does not appear to be part of a 21-home lawsuit against the property owner with the artesian well approximately 20 feet off the subject's lot. I have not found any recent sales within the 21 lots that have been influenced by the water from this well damaging their properties and thus the lawsuit. The owner says that the well floods their yard, but no evidence was found at the time of the inspection. They say that the mounded septic system backs up and smells horrible, but no horrible smell was noticed at the time of the inspection. Is there a way to search for properties that have such an influence and determine the market value deduction if any for such a property? Has anyone appraised a property like this before with claimed water issues with no noticeable influence? I did one a while back about 12 years ago, but the whole neighborhood was flooding at the time of the inspection so the influence was easy to determine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Why would you simply accept the property owner's claim as true? I would certainly be wondering why this owner did not join the lawsuit. Once you have established, as fact, that the subject property has a problem then, you can begin to determine whether there is any market reaction.. or not. You have at least 21 other lots that claim to have a problem. Have any sold... ever? Beyond that, I have no idea which databases are available to you or what their search capabities are.
 
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Memphis has some of the best public water because it is situated over underground wells. Many people in middle and east TN have wells that run all the time and feed out of the ground and feed cold water creeks and springs.

I still buy bottled water because I have been to places where the natural water out of the faucet tastes nasty to me.

I had a feed coming out of the ground one day after I bought my house and thought that must be an underground spring.

Unfortunately it was a pvc water pipe that had frozen and busted. LOL

The cold water springs in middle and east TN are ice cold coming out of the ground. I have drank the water untreated straight out of the ground. They can grow rainbow trout there. Arkansas is same way.
 
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I have been to places in different states and stayed in hotels and when I got out of the shower, I still felt dirty. I think it is called soft water that feels like it don't rinse off clean. I have been to places where the water out of the faucet tastes like sulfur too.

Many residents that live there buy bottled water all the time. We have a filter on our refrigerator that gives cold water and you can't tell any difference between it and bottled water.

People in Memphis area say I don't know why ya'll would ever buy bottled water.
 
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