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Illegal Adu's

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melissa995

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I do not give credit in my appraisals for illegal unpermitted space period. There is daily fine involved, It is getting so huge that the realtors are being proactive in helping seller get post-construction permits and in some cases the some portions of the building have been removed. Most lender require permits and/or not to value. Now, I completed an appraisal(all parties live in house) sale and I feel I am being bullied by the lender to give credit to the ADU, it did not make value of course. I am not changing my appraisal but I know this issue is going to have huge consequences. It is not a AMC issue so please do not respond with sarcastic comments.

My question is as peers how do you handle illegal adu's or illegal converted garage spaces?
 
Where is our forum resident attorney to comment on the legality of non-attorneys making determinations of what is illegal?

Start again,

You have found space that is?????????

Constructed without a permit?
Not permitted in the zoning district?
exists but is not grandfathered?
Does not have a conditional use permit?

What judge determined it is illegal space?

Why do you think ADUs are not allowed? Are in-law apartments allowed? are mother/daughter's allowed?
Are two kitchens allowed, but rental tenants are not?

You need to be more specific before asking what everyone else does.

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Lenders have their guidelines for additions without permits as an assignment condition.

FHA and Fannie require the appraiser to value the addition according to market acceptance and show whether the addition adds value or subtracts value or neutral.

A discussion of the local zoning authority policies on additions without permits and enforcement.
 
Agree have a few attorneys in the family they have always instructed me to not use the word Illegal addition or guest house etc. Because the word Illegal is implying somebody is doing something that is bad (crime) and hiding under the radar. In my opinion a better word is Non-Permitted addition or No-Permit Found , But may be permitted but owner or his-her agent needs to contact the local city, county building department. I have had a few cases in the last 30 years where I believed the addition or accessory unit had not been permitted BUT guess what the owner or his agent walked into the building department, County etc and a permit from 1955 showed up and the addition was permitted or grandfathered. We are walking a fine line but you never want to walk into a court of law and be in a major lawsuit because you damaged a buyer, seller, borrower my making a determination about an addition that maybe was permitted years ago or grand-fathered.
 
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I do not give credit in my appraisals for illegal unpermitted space period.


My question is as peers how do you handle illegal adu's or illegal converted garage spaces?

If permits are that important in your area, you should make the report subject to the owner providing a copy of the permit. That is, if you're certain that there is an illegal/unpermitted space or renovations.

You may not "give credit" for an illegal or unpermitted space but does your local market? Do typical buyers perceive the space as contributing value?

I'd suggest that any appraiser that ignores the value of an unpermitted space for the sole reason of lacking permits should make the appraisal subject to a Hypothetical Condition that the space does not exist. Otherwise, the report is misleading.
 
From my perspective....

Illegal means something is there that cannot be there.
Non-permitted means that something is there that can be there but hasn't been permitted.
This is a huge difference.

As-is market value exists for improvements that are illegal (cannot be there) and for improvements with non-permitted alterations (can be there but haven't been permitted).

If the improvements truly represent an illegal use, then if one is performing a GSE report, one better check "illegal" in the Zoning Compliance section (page 1 of the 1004).
One also better describe the situation and determine what the H&BU as-improved is.

When something is illegal (cannot be there), H&BU as-improved will likely find there are two options: (a) remodel (which technically means changing the use or utility) or (b) demolition.
Since, for market value appraisals, we value the property to its H&BU, then a property with an illegal use would be valued based on the impact of "a" or "b" above.
For GSE work, they will not make a loan on a property with an illegal use. That doesn't mean the client won't want an appraisal anyway, but if they do want an appraisal, then the as-is market value for an illegal improvement must consider the impact of a remodel or would conclude that the H&BU is to demolish the current improvements and return the site to its vacant, ready-for-development status to be developed to its H&BU (in the case of demolition, the assignment then becomes a tear-down/land valuation problem to be solved).

Zoning/planning departments (assume the subject is under such a jurisdiction) will tell the appraiser if the use is illegal, or if the situation is a permit issue.
To arbitrarily give "no value" (not analyze the impact of the as-is condition) in an assignment that requires an opinion of market value is fundamentally incorrect.
One should also consider to what degree the jurisdiction actually enforces the codes if this is a "needs permits" situation. In some cases, the enforcement is so infrequent that the market has no reaction. If that is the case, that is the conclusion I'd make. But I'd be sure to discuss it in my report.
If the use is truly illegal, then IMO the degree to which the a jurisdiction may pursue a remediation doesn't factor into my analysis (although I'd comment on it). Illegal is illegal, and I'd analyze the property as such.

Sometimes, the non-permitted condition is easily rectified such that there is no impact on value.
Sometimes, the non-permitted condition is not so easy to rectify; that would presumably have an impact on value... but not always (think of an extremely hot market where buyers are many and options are few... in such markets, impairment issues that otherwise would create discounts in price get squeezed and sometimes disappear).

In either situation, the appraisal report must accurately describe what exists. Then, the appraisal report must walk the client/intended user through the process it used to determine what to do next (value the property as-is with a non-permitted alteration or value the property as-is, as an illegal use, based on the H&BU as-improved conclusion).
The first step is to determine "illegal" or "non-permitted".
The next step is to contact the client and inform them of the situation and ask if they have any particular guidance or protocol. When asking the client, I assume that the response from the client is something that can be done in a USPAP compliant manner. So, a response of
"Just give it no value" isn't USPAP compliant.
"Go ahead and value it as-is" is USPAP compliant but could significantly change the nature of the assignment. An appraiser may want to ask for more time, a different fee, or determine it is beyond their competency (or simply determine they don't want to do it): all those options ("give me more time", "give me more money", "send it to someone else") are appropriate and I wouldn't hesitate to exercise any one of them.

You will hear an alternative views that argue when an alteration isn't permitted and permits are required, that constitutes an illegal use. I disagree with that argument but you may be in agreement with it. If you are, then you'd have no choice in an as-is appraisal to check the "illegal use" in the zoning compliance section. And, if you conclude it is an illegal use, you should contact your client because chances are very high they will tell you to stop and bill them for the work you've done up to that point.
In theory and in practice, the determination of the legality of the use should be one of the first things done after the point where the question was raised. So, if you found out in your pre-interview of the borrower that they did something which you believe creates an illegal use, you should verify it at that stage. If you discover it at the inspection, you should make your determination before you finish the report.
And to reemphasize, unless the client has clear guidance in their engagement agreement and assignment conditions, you should contact them in the case of a non-permitted issue and contact them without fail in the case of an illegal use issue before you complete the report.



Good luck!
 
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Good posts above, you might want to search the forum have been numerous threads on this issue
 
I don't know D,

I think we have to delineate

an illegal thing, from,
an illegal use of a thing.

Zoning is for use
Permits are for things

So if an addition was built with permits, it is a legal addition.
If the addition is being rented out to a tenant, in an SFR zone the use of the addition is illegal.
It does not make the addition illegal.

So with a 2 kitchen house,
having no rent payers and all family member living in the house it is still an SFR.

Summer kitchens in basements were very popular up through the 1960s in many areas.
That does not make basements ADUs.

Putting a kitchen over the garage and regulating your daughter and her kids to the rooms over the garage, does not make the garage an ADU if it can not be rented out.

From reading the forum, too many people jump on a current zoning ordinance as the bible of everything legal and run away with themselves, forgetting about grandfathering, and the differences between;

Use and things.

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I don't know D,

I think we have to delineate

an illegal thing, from,
an illegal use of a thing.

Zoning is for use
Permits are for things

So if an addition was built with permits, it is a legal addition.
If the addition is being rented out to a tenant, in an SFR zone the use of the addition is illegal.
It does not make the addition illegal.

So with a 2 kitchen house,
having no rent payers and all family member living in the house it is still an SFR.

Summer kitchens in basements were very popular up through the 1960s in many areas.
That does not make basements ADUs.

Putting a kitchen over the garage and regulating your daughter and her kids to the rooms over the garage, does not make the garage an ADU if it can not be rented out.

From reading the forum, too many people jump on a current zoning ordinance as the bible of everything legal and run away with themselves, forgetting about grandfathering, and the differences between;

Use and things.

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I agree with the above, and the distinctions you point out continue to refine the basic issue. :cool:
 
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