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Lee Vista / Vista lakes bombing range area

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I am not sure if you knew this or not…I didn’t.

According to my wife, the map boundaries have been extended 3 miles
west to Goldenrod and as high as Curry Ford. I don’t think the maps are
currently showing the new boundaries.
 
Bomb Range Narrative

I did a refi townhome in early February. I think some of your most recent info could be found at The Orlando Sentinel site and by searching for the neighborhood names or bomb range. I was able to include couple of maps in may report that I pulled from the Sentinel's site.

Also, when I did my inspection, the homeowner was able to give me a copy of the latest homeowner's association newsletter which showed a recent map of the areas being looked at. Of course, this has change since February.

Here is the narrative I included in my report. Feel free to copy/use as you wish. I quoted my sources. Obviously the housing stats came from MLS. Just a side note - I got stipped on this report because the lender wanted a quote stating the discovery of the old bombing range directly affected the drop in sale prices. I also referenced the number of foreclosure, pre-foclosure and short sales in my report.

Good Luck!

Sunny

My Narrative:

On July 25, 2007, The Orlando Sentinel announced that live WWII bombs, explosives, shrapnel and harmful chemicals leaking from old munitions were discovered near Odyssey Middle School. The school is at or near a site where Army generals and officials would watch bombing practices on the former Pinecastle Jeep Range in southeast Orange County.
The Army Corps of Engineers began testing for WWII era bombs in January 2007 and released findings beginning in July 2007. The 12,843 acre area of the former Pinecastle Jeep Range affects the Vista Lakes, Crowntree Lakes and Tivoli Gardens neighborhoods. As reported by the Orlando Sentinel, these neighborhoods were built on the edge of the Pinecastle Jeep Range, and public records show that fill dirt taken from the range was used throughout the developments.
Maps have been provided in this report showing the area pre- and post-construction. Additionally, the most recent Vista Lakes homeowners newsletter has been provided which discusses the issue at the present time and provides a map of the area which the Army Corp of Engineers are focusing their attention. Please note, the subject is located OUTSIDE the Bomb Target Study Area.
For the most up to date information from the Army Corps of Engineers, please go to:
http://www.saj.usace.army.mil/support/fuds/pinecastle/index.html
Reports, soil samples, and findings are presented here.


Housing Market Response to Army Corps of Engineers Findings

From January 1 to July 25, 2007, MLS indicates that 9 townhomes between 1600 and 2000 square feet sold for an average of $251,000. There were 15 active sale listings on July 25, 2007.

From July 26, 2007 to February 8, 2007, MLS indicates that 4 townhomes sold, between 1600 and 200 square feet in size, for an average sale price of $227,000. There are currently 14 active listings within these size parameters.

Further MLS statistics show that similar townhomes sold from 11/8/2006 to 2/8/2007 had an average sale price of $234,000. Sale increased to an average sale price of $245,000 from 2/9/2007 to 7/25/2007. During the present quarter of 11/8/2007 to 2/8/2008, the average townhome sold for $216,000. This is a 8% average decline from the same quarter last year, and translates to a .6% monthly decline in sale prices for similar size homes in subject's neighborhood.


MLS statistics indicates that sellers in subject’s neighborhood are receiving 93% of listing price with an average marketing time of 235 days. Seller concessions are typical but have no effect on market value.

The current market is in over supply with 15 active listings in subject's neighborhood and development is continuing.
 
Good job Sunny. The Orlando Sentinel did an article maybe 2 months ago with before and after pictures as well as the boundaries within Vista Lakes. Maybe you could include the article from the Sentinel. Deuce, I am glad you moved on from that one in St. Cloud to a former bombing range, what could be next and it is only Tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks Sunny - good job! I am doing a townhomes in Crowntree and Waterside.
I will update the stats when I am finished. So far, my estimate for value declines on townhomes is 33%+- over the past 12 mths with the majority of the decline in the last Q and continuing to drop. Values for the area (all one unit) is down 18%+- over past 12 mths.

BTW - this is an article about the area potentially loosing insurance due to the bombs. I have contacted the writer for an update and clarification. Can't place mortgages if you can't get insurance on the property. could be a bigger mess or just sensationalism -
I will update when I hear back from him.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-bombhomes1408jan14,0,556728,full.story
 
Deuce, I am glad you moved on from that one in St. Cloud to a former bombing range, what could be next and it is only Tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I tend to get all the cake jobs!
 
BTW - this is an article about the area potentially loosing insurance due to the bombs. I have contacted the writer for an update and clarification. Can't place mortgages if you can't get insurance on the property. could be a bigger mess or just sensationalism -
I will update when I hear back from him.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-bombhomes1408jan14,0,556728,full.story

Here is the response from the reporter regarding the article above. I asked about the inability to attain insurance and also any other new updates.

'Nothing concrete.
Orange County's Prop Appraiser Bill Donnegan says that he's instructed his folks to re-value the houses downwards for tax relief.

I've heard from some lawyers working on various lawsuits who say that some banks have told their people NOT to issue any mortgages in the area.

People's Prop. Insurance in Tallahassee has left the issue up in the air.'
 
Here's what I wrote several months back:

Recently, local television news and the Orlando Sentinel have reported the excavations of un-detonated military ordinance. Subject's development was once in the immediate vicinity of a World War II-era bombing practice range. According to builder's agent, XXXXXX Homes immediately acted to facilitate further excavation and detection of any potential threats to homes and neighborhood occupants. To date, there have been no detonations of any ordinance other than those performed under controlled circumstances by local responding authorities. The Army Corps of Engineers is currently over-seeing clean-up operations in other parts of subject's development.

I was appraising the "executive" homes. From what I noted at the time, the sales prices had remained stable over the three previous quarters after being reduced signicantly ($80-$100K) in late 2006 to early 2007.

I imagine that has changed due to the continued news coverage.
 
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