NYS experience log hours question?

[JoeB]

I apologize if this has been asked but didnt find it.
To become a Certified Real Estate Appraiser in NY you must complete 2500 hours of experience. There is a breakdown given.
My question is: They require so many % of land and Condo Appraisals. Most of my 2500 hours and single and muti family dwellings. There is not that much land, farm land where I live. I have not done 10% condo's. That would be 41 condo's. There arent that many sold or available to Appraise.
Will they honor my hours as they are or do i have to meet the percentages of each catagory listed?
Thanks for your help!

 

[Robert Dunkle]

Guess I should leave this to New Yorkers, but no one has responded, yet. Double check the category requirements that you are quoting. You may be correct, but you give the hours requirement for Certified Residential when you say Certified Real Estate Appraiser. From what I read in the ASC, AQB, CIA and FBI Certified Residential should not require any experience other than 1-4 family residential. Now, Certified General will require 1500 hours of other, non-residential, experience.

Best thing is to check with your state Board! Yes, that may be a pain, but it could keep you from going down the wrong road.

 

[Claude From NY]

State Certified Residential Appraiser
2,500 hours of experience over a period of not less than 24 months is required, 75% (1,875 hours) of which must be from appraisals of residential properties listed on the Appraisal Experience Report (Attachment C). Residential experience must contain experience in single family (including single co-op or condo), two-four family, or other residential experience (vacant lot/farm). 80% (1,500 hours) of the residential experience must be in the single family category. 10% (187.5 hours) of the residential experience must be in each of the two remaining categories.


Joe, I can see how this is confusing. Maybe you can ask the question over on the New York appraisers user group. There are a few there that might be able to answer your question. The way I'm reading it is that of the 1,875 hours at least 80% is single family and at least 10% is from one of the other categories (two-four family).

 

[The Warrior Monk]

Hi Joe,

Here's the link for NYS license Law:

http://www.dos.state.ny.us/lcns/lawbooks/re-appraisers.html

From Section 1102.2:

(b) Applicants for residential certification must have at least 2,500 hours of real estate appraisal experience over a period of not less than 24 months. At least 75 percent of that experience must be residential appraisal experience. The residential experience must include experience in single-family, two- to four-family, cooperatives, condominiums, or other residential experience. At least 80 percent of the residential experience must be in the single-family category. At least 10 percent of the residential experience must be in each of the remaining residential categories set forth in §1102.3 of this Part.



From 1102.3:

APPRAISAL EXPERIENCE SCHEDULEType of Property Appraised
Assigned hours
Residential
Residential Single-Family
(Single Co-op or Condo) 6
Residential Multi-Family (2-4 units) 12Vacant Lot (Residential, 1-4 units) 3Farm (Less than 100 acres, with residence) 12
----------------------------------------------------------------------

This has always confused me. It would appear that one would need farm experience from the way the law is worded. Here on LI there are some farms, but in every case I've dealt with, the HBU is not as a farm, but as some type of development. And in NY, the subdivision analysis for a project like falls in the general category, not the residential category.

I believe that I saw and article while ago that talked about this issue. I think in certain areas, where farms are limited, the appraiser can simply make up the experience in other categories. This would also make sense because there are probably more appraisers here on LI than there are farms. I would recommend calling the Department of State to verify this information.

Good luck and Welcome to the Forum!

Dave

 

[JoeB]

Thanks for your replies.
I still dont understand what is manditory? Right now I have 2300 hours of a mix of single and multifamily full appraisals completed. Standard forms used: 1004, 1004_05, 2055-2, 1025_05, and multi.
(over 800+ hours in 2,3, and 4 family, over 1400+ hours in single family)
I have done 3 condo's, and one land appraisal.
I am on my way to completing my last two hundred hours. Its been a long road and I hope they will accept this experience. There is no way i can find 200 hours of land, farms and condo's.
Do You Think This Is Adequate?

 

[Otis Key]

Joe, no offense (and not to answer for the two from NY that have answered) but you're asking a question that needs to be presented to someone at the board who can "legally" enterpret the reg. No us dumb appraisers . From what I read that there in that reg quoted was a simple answer of at least 80% of the hours must include residential. So what do you classify as residential?

Go to your state and ask them for a clarification.

FWIW, I heard from a board member yesterday that all "trainees" and/or "apprentices" will now need to start keeping logs on an excel sheet to be submitted that way. Funny, I told my last trainee to use that format over a year ago.

 

[JoeB]

Ive always kept my log on excel from december of 2003 when i started. I made a macro to add the hours as i complete each appraisal. Its easier that way . I did call last week, but was on hold for a half an hour and hung up.

 

[Otis Key]

Can't you send them an email with a specifc and clear question? Then you've also got it in writing should they come back and decline it for some reason. I would think at that point that they would have no choice.

 

[JoeB]

Here is the reply to my already sent email:


Thank you for your E-mail.
Please be advised that we cannot pre-determine an application. The
application will be reviewed, based on the documents he/she submits,
and then a decision will be made and he/she will be notified in writing.
Rather than misguide you and/or provide you with inaccurate
information, I would suggest that you contact our customer service phone
bank at (518) 474-4429 (option # 7 to speak to a representative) OR our
Application Audit Unit at (518) 474-2640 OR our Investigation Unit at
(518) 474-2651 (upstate NY) or (212) 417-5790 (downstate NY) for an
accurate answer to your question.

called each number and they immediately transfered me to customer service before i could explain anything!

 

[airphoto]

Back to Dave Wimplberg's response: "At least 80 percent of the residential experience must be in the single-family category. At least 10 percent of the residential experience must be in each of the remaining residential categories set forth in §1102.3 of this Part."

Why is this confusing? 80 percent must be single-family, and at least 10 percent of the residential experience must be in 2-family, 3-family, four-family or land!

At least 75% of the experience must be residential .. easy .. non-residential cannot exceed 25% .. if one is doing commercial appraisals, they don't count .. which can be done by a trainee under a commercial/general certified appraiser. Nothing prohibits becoming certified doing 100 percent residential appraisals, just ten percent of those must be other than single-family!