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Allison Schroeppel

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Does anyone have an opinion on this? In my office we have recently been debating over the topic of personal property which is included in the sale price of a comparable sale. If a comp sold with items that might be considered personal property (such as a refrigerator, above ground pool, etc.), how should this be handled in the adjustment grid? Do we completely ignore personal property included in the sale price? Do an above the grid adjustment? Please help!
 
I appraise the house as if it included no personal property, and then state something like "personal property, ( furniture, above ground pool or whatever you see on the contract) is included with the subject per contract. However, no personal property has been included as contributing to value in this report"

The subject value will either makes the sales price or not, without the included personal property.

It becomes tough when MLS describes comparables sold with personal property- I may deduct on the grid for these comps if it appears sales price was higher due to whatever was included.
 
An above ground pool is personalty and has no value from the market -I make that statement. If I know that the refrigerator, W/D, etc is included, I try to find out from the realtor if there was any consideration, generally none, and I cite the facts including any consideration in the report. I never give it value.

Roger
 
It really depends on the buyers and sellers motivation. That above ground pool might cost the seller $1,000 to move and since the seller is moving to a condo what would he do with it? The answer is to leave it, no value. What contribution do you think a used $900 refrigerator makes to the sale of a $350,000 house. That refrigerator might cause the buyer of a $50,000 house to chose the subject over a comparable it all depends.
 
My standard statement about personal property is:
In this area the household appliances are normally included with the real estate at time of sale so they have been included in the appraised value. No other personal property is included in the appraised value or in the adjusted values of the comparable properties.
If there was significant personal property that influenced value, for the subject or the comps, I explain it and will make adjustments to the comps for the value.

If I am doing an appraisal for a sale and a mortgage is involved I require the lender to have the Realtors have the buyers and sellers allocate a value to the personal property. The Realtors grumble but they are learning that it has to be done.

As my favorite LO says: "I can't give you a mortgage on the couch, the snow blower and the boat. Sorry!" :P
 
There's a fine line on what's personal and what's personal but necessary to add utility and function to the real estate. A long time ago I learned that in order to appraise the subject, you must first appraise the comps. Essentially and as stated in other posts, did the personal property contribute to the sale price of the comparable? ie, did it sell for more than market because of the personal property, or did the personal property add to the appeal of the comparable and simply enhance the overall appeal?

Quite often people will leave things they won't need for the next property rather than move them (refrigerators, drapes, etc) and leaving them is no real value loss or concession on the seller's part as they have liitle value in the market and there's also the cost to liquidate them and the time, etc.

It's been my experience that most often, such personal items have little if any contribution to the price and may require mention, but not a deduction as such items included in the sale are common. Agents tend to list these items separately and refer to them as personal, which we review in the contratc and have to deal with in the report.

On the other hand, a fully furnished condo/house may be a different matter altogether. If you can clearly identify and separate the value of the items ($5,000 worth of furniture) and verify with the seller/agent/buyer, etc. you need to make an adjustment. However, a used refrigerator or washer/dryer at $500 on a $150,000 sale would be a little difficult to isolate.

Keep in mind 1) the grid is for making adjustments that are reflected in the market, simply because there is a line item doesn't mandate than an adjustment is made if you cannot identify that the market would make a similar adjustment. 2) most MLS listing are not deatiled enough to show personal property that may have been included in a comparable, the agent simply didn't list it or mention it as the item came up in the buyer/seller contract after the itme was listed and hence, you didn't know that the comparable you comparing to also had some minor item "thrown in" to close the deal. 3) the purpose of the grid is to narrow the indicated range of the comparables and that such items can be mentioned (if significant) in the market comparision comments as you weight each of the comparables.

Bottom line, would the comparable have sold for the same price without the item(s) and if not, you may want to comment that it is common in the marketplace to include such items (for many of the reasons cited in the posts above) and no market derived adjustment could be extracted nor was it warranted.
 
The big thing here is a hot tub. These are generally considered presonal property and can influence the value by as much as several thousand dollars. An above ground pool, on the other hand, usually has minimal value. After years of wrestling with this I developed an technique of using the last line on the grid for "upgrades". These are generally lumped together and include such things as drapes, security systems, refridgerators, hot tubs, etc. Have never had an underwriter question my adjustments for these items. You might want to list those items on your addendum if it is a substantial amount.
 
Thus sayth the old guy!

Mike: Just for the record I'm older than you are so I guess that means I get to say "Thus sayth the older guy."
 
Dave, that started out as a joke but sorta stuck. You are welcome to the title, if you wish. I am 61 but people say I don't look it and certainly don't act like it. After watching the Cubbies this week I feel older however.
 
Wonder if anyone is interested in doing a study of the ages of people posting on this forum.
I'm new, so don't know if this has been done.
I'm 39. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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