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Plexiglass to repair a broken pane of glass?

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Mary Fee

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I required the repair of a broken pane of glass on a recent FHA appraisal. The window that had the broken pane was a large 3' x 4' fixed center window with casement windows on either side. I was checking the repairs today and they Agent/owner has replaced the glass with plexiglass.(it wobbled when I touched it). Is plexiglass an adequate replacement?

Has anyone ever encountered this? I can't find anything to say it is not proper, however, I can't find anything that says it is either. Please help.

Mary
 
Tough one, Mary. Plexiglass is NOT glass. It scratches easily and doesn't take long to turn somewhat 'cloudy' - besides the wobbly issue.

I think I would state exactly what was done, how it looks and feels and defer to the Underwriter to pass or fail this repair. Something like:

"Broken stationary window panel was replaced with plexiglass which wobbles in the frame, does not have the same quality as real window glass and does not conform to or match the windows on each side of it. Underwriter needs to determine the acceptability of this repair."

You could also call your HOC and ask, but don't count on a real answer. I like to put it into the hands of the underwriter and off of my rear. AND, take pictures and include them!
 
Pamela-
Thank you for your response. That was basically what I was thinking, however, this Realtor (who is also the owner) has been a real pain. He's been in business for over 25 years and has never heard of some of the repairs I required (How many times have we heard that?) I admit that I am a stickler when it comes to VC conditions and health and safety issues. I had never encountered this situation and was unsure if construction materials had changed. I just wanted back up for when he calls me and demands to know why I required these further repairs (there were others that he conveniently didn't fix).

I did 2 re-inspections for VC conditions yesterday, both times the Realtors called me and assured me the work was completed. On both properties there were some repairs made and others skipped. Do you think that appraisers are signing off without checking to make sure the work has been completed? This has happened to me alot over the last month. Just wondered if it was happening elsewhere.

Thank you again for your help.

Mary
 
Mary:

As a general rule, I expect an item on the VC sheet to be repaired or replaced to the way it was originally. That doesn't necessarily mean that the replaced or repaired item has to be new. An dead dishwasher can be replaced by a used one as long as it is operational for example. I'm convinced that as a general rule, the more years of experience a realtor has, the less they are aware of these types of issues. That doesn't mean they are necessarily dumb, they just know how to stall and play games and get the appraiser to sign off on items and assume the risk. I find that for the most part, new realtors are trying to learn. However, at some point in time they transform into an experienced realtor and you know the rest. Just remember, water always runs downhill. If anything ever happens, the lender, borrower, realtor, underwriter and big brother will be at the top of the hill looking down at you. Make the owner fix the problem and quit playing games. The fact that the owner is an experienced realtor is irrelevant.
 
Larry-

I agree-it seems the more experienced the Realtor, the more they like to bully the appraiser. I'm a fairly young appraiser (35 years old) and I think they think I'm inexperienced.

What they don't know is that I trained under the best appraiser in Columbus for 7 to 8 years before going on my own. I have been a one person business for the past 8 years. Until Ed,my mentor, died last year he was my best source for advice.

Ed quit doing FHA work when it went to lender select, he felt it corrupted the sustem, however, he was always willing to help me out. He wrote a great article for Real Estate Valuation Magazine Fall 1998 titled "How FHA is 'Reinventing' the Appraisal Proccess".

The best thing I ever learned was to stick to your guns, always double check your facts and make sure you can sleep with yourself at night when its all over.

I appreciate this forum for all its suport.

Mary
 
I really don't like having to go back more than once for repair inspections, but I will do it however many it takes for them to do ALL of them CORRECTLY and charge full fee for each one.

I've also refused to do additional repair inspections when it appears that the HO is going to try to pull something. Then I put it in writing to the UW through the lender/LO that the local FHA Compliance Inspector will need to be scheduled to do any further repair completion inspections.

Had one where I did this and the compliance inspector made them tear out the new drywall to make sure they had properly replaced the rotted and moldy studs from a shower leak. Of course, that Realtor will never allow me to be involved in any of her deals anymore!
 
When in doubt call the HUD REAC Help desk. What they say, goes and you can cite them as support with your problem child.

Roger
 
Mary,

Your observation of some "experienced" salespeople is quite astute. I love when they follow me around and huff and puff while I write repairs. Then they get the VC sheet and call complaining that in their 25 years they have never had to do this or that. That's to put you, the appraiser, on the defense. I always respond with, "Oh, this must be your first FHA deal in 25 years otherwise.... you must be lying to me. Which is it?" I just love putting them back on the defense.

But we want to avoid this problem altogether so we don't have to face disgruntled salespeople, LO's, etc who rant and rave and waste our time. Here's what I do. Regarding your question, I've learned this in all the years I've been doing FHA's. When you write the VC sheet repairs, write them to your advantage. Don't say "Repair broken window glass in the front living room window" They will take advantage of you as they have just done and install plexiglass. Now YOU have to second guess their repair and try to require another repair after the fact which is very hard to do. Give them no leeway upfront. State "Install a new glass pane in the broken front living room window" Spell it out exactly so you can shove it in their face when they can't follow what's written on the VC Sheet. I hate using the word repair anything because they will do it as cheap and as shoddy as possible. The word is "install XX" and it better be installed when I get there.

As far as missing or not completing repairs, that's the favorite broker trick to get the appraiser to overlook unfinished repair items. They order the repair insection the day prior to closing. You know the excuses offered, the buyer is ready to close tomorrow, he's packed and has nowhere to go, his rate lock expires, etc. AND finally, You, Mr/MS Appraiser are going to kill the deal. Take care of it by writing on the Homebuyer Summary "Buyer and seller to be given a copy of Page Four of the VC Sheet which lists all required repairs and certifications required." I list all repairs and certifications in detail on Page 4 of the VC Sheet and state that "Incomplete or overlooked repairs found at re-inspection may delay closing." In that way, everyone knows upfront what is expected and if you don't do what is expected what the consequence will be--you don't close. It's then not my fault, the LO's fault or the DEU's fault. It's the seller's or listing broker's fault. Believe me, the DEU will appreciate it if you spell everything out exactly. In your present case, the DEU is not going to take great joy in mediating repair requirements. Also, have the lender fax back the VC Sheet Page 4 to you before you go out on the repair inspection just in case the DEU has added or modified anything you have required. They have that power and I've seen it done.

Don't ever let them make you feel nervous or unsure about a repair in the future. As I said, tell them what you want/expect exactly on the VC sheet. Give them no quarter.

As far as your existing problem, think safety. Will the 3x4 sheet of plexiglass flex enough to blow-in during a high wind. Probably. Is it typically used in a window that large. No.

Ben
 
Can't find anything that says plexiglass is not acceptable. We see it a lot in garage windows here.
 
I ran into the same thing with one of the top brokers in the area last winter on a house that was a fixer-upper project. Problem was they tried to replace insulated glass in one case with Plexiglas. No no. Then on another window with a storm, they tried to use Plexiglas but did such a poor job that the Plexiglas just pushed right out. No no again. The IG was finally replaced with IG and the Plexiglas was firmly installed in the window. I found no reason why it cannot be used so permitted it but I did require an installation similar to regular glass.

Any way you looked at it, it looked cheap.
 
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