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Tax Law Impact On Housing Market

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New Tax Law Coverage Illustrates A Lack of Understanding Housing Behavior
I came across a New York Times piece that looked at price trends as indicative that there has been no real impact from the new federal tax law on the housing market. The Trump Tax Cuts Were Supposed to Depress Housing Prices. They Haven’t.

It was a rehash of a Ken Harney piece in the Washington Post on June 13th: The new tax law was supposed to cause a slump in housing values. It hasn’t materialized — yet.

Relying on price trends is the same flawed logic used during the housing bubble. Pick any market back then. Housing sales fell sharply eventually leading to a sharp drop in prices. Peak prices nationwide were seen in 2006 while peak sales were achieved a year earlier. I continue to be amazed at how this continues to be missed in economic circles.

Think of a seller anchored to a ridiculously high list price. It takes them 1-2 years to de-anchor and not feel like they haven’t left money on the table. What happens when a housing market is exposed to a federal new tax law overnight? The sellers continue to demand their price and a rising number of buyers opt not to pay it. In other words, sales decline first. This is exactly what is happening in high tax, high-cost states right now.

And it is true, the new federal tax law likely won’t have any real impact in 80% of U.S. markets because of their much lower housing prices, mortgage amounts. property taxes and SALT. The doubling of standard deductions made it irrelevant. But let’s not proclaim the same goes for the entire U.S. when without too much effort you can see the slowdown in real-time in high-cost markets. This article treated the national housing market as, well, a single market. The new federal tax law, as far as housing goes, was designed to have the most impact on high-cost housing markets such as those found on the west coast and the northeast and the reform aspect centered on reducing the amount of itemization.



We are seeing slowing sales in the northeast and west coast right now, 9 months after the law became effective. Price trends are not a reliable basis for the premise being suggested in this piece. Here’s how it goes:

  • external impact (tax law)

  • sales decline (yes)

  • inventory rises (happening now in the U.S. including NE and West)

  • prices slip (next)
In other words, 9 months is way too early to be calling for no impact. We can see it happening in NYC right now.
 
We are seeing slowing sales in the northeast and west coast right now, 9 months after the law became effective. Price trends are not a reliable basis for the premise being suggested in this piece. Here’s how it goes:

  • external impact (tax law)

  • sales decline (yes)

  • inventory rises (happening now in the U.S. including NE and West)

  • prices slip (next)
In other words, 9 months is way too early to be calling for no impact. We can see it happening in NYC right now.

The impact of the tax law change is not found in the price trend, however, it will be found by tax returns on people who moved for tax reasons. Not all income levels are motived by taxes. People move for various reasons (cost of living, for example). California has been suffering a net outflow of people to other states before the tax law change, for example, and so has New York.

It will become more painful to move in a declining market.
 
Since 2007 over 1 million more people have moved out of California than moved here from other states, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service. The No. 1 destination for relocating Californians was Texas, followed by Arizona, Nevada, Oregon and Washington.

The rate of out-of-state migration may accelerate. Realtor.com tracks where folks are looking for homes. They discovered that twice as many folks in California are looking at housing out of state than folks from other states looking at California housing.

State and local taxes. Californians believe their state and local taxes are too high. Recent polling by the Public Policy Institute shows 61 percent of likely voters believe their share of state and local taxes is too high and 81 percent believe their state and local taxes are higher than in other states.

That perception that Californians pay a higher tax is reinforced each year as the California Legislature proposes more creative ways to separate Californians from their money. This year, according to the California Tax Foundation, more than $269 billion has been proposed in yearly tax and fee increases by the Legislature.

Trump tax cut. “In the years to come, millions of people, thousands of businesses and tens of billions of dollars of net income will flee high-tax blue states for low-tax red states,” said Arthur Laffer, economist for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative public policy think tank based in Washington, D.C.

That’s already happening. Over the last 10 years 3.5 million Americans have relocated from the highest tax states to the lowest, according to the Legislative Exchange Council, a nonprofit organization of conservative state legislators and private sector representatives who draft and share model, state-level legislation.

Changing housing politics. When the majority of folks feel they are permanently excluded from the same benefits and privileges enjoyed by the minority, they will work to change those dynamics.

Homeownership and private property rights in California are under attack. November’s ballot initiatives on rent control is the first volley to be fired by an increasing number of non-owners who believe housing should be controlled by government.

Next on their schedule is the repeal of Proposition 13 for farms and small business. Split-roll proponents initially considered a drive to place an initiative on the ballot this year but decided a presidential-year electorate might be more favorable. They’ve now reportedly collected over 860,000 signatures, far more than the 585,000 necessary for certification.

https://www.mtdemocrat.com/business-real-estate/market-influences/
 
Need to allow for floating cities to occur - where the destitute can live on water boats all along the eastern seaboard of the United States ... to complete resone of all waterways and national parks to allow people to build a city network throughout - ... people are taxed out of land homes here .... make it cheaper on water.

My cousin has a gofundme account ..... to help him keep his vessel and get him out of the Atlantic ocean .... he bought a 27' sailboat and tried to sail it south ... beached it in Atlantic City .... Build some giant seawalls off the coast of New Jersey and let people build new Islands ... boat Islands ... my cousin has never sailed ... he mainsailed it ... , but he cant fly the Genoa .... its suicide .... but he is desperate and completely contrarian to the end.

Im not a big fan of gofundme ..... but who is to say how the world should evolve?

The "I've got my hand out" drive thing is imaginative I suppose in some sense, but I can't get my head around it to be a part of it.
 
Need to allow for floating cities to occur - where the destitute can live on water boats all along the eastern seaboard of the United States ... to complete resone of all waterways and national parks to allow people to build a city network throughout - ... people are taxed out of land homes here .... make it cheaper on water.

My cousin has a gofundme account ..... to help him keep his vessel and get him out of the Atlantic ocean .... he bought a 27' sailboat and tried to sail it south ... beached it in Atlantic City .... Build some giant seawalls off the coast of New Jersey and let people build new Islands ... boat Islands ... my cousin has never sailed ... he mainsailed it ... , but he cant fly the Genoa .... its suicide .... but he is desperate and completely contrarian to the end.

Im not a big fan of gofundme ..... but who is to say how the world should evolve?

The "I've got my hand out" drive thing is imaginative I suppose in some sense, but I can't get my head around it to be a part of it.


Then we can re-name hurricanes as urban renewal projects.

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Then we can re-name hurricanes as urban renewal projects.

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Perpetual motion, perpetual laughter, perpetual determination to find "vays of making people think" ... about how wealth transfer "will" take place in a world gone mad. Perhaps the Amazon model will be a large raft where the "comet of action" becomes a place to park funds (money). Or not, buy the dip. Laugh.
 
Anyone who can afford a million dollar + home can afford high taxes. Today I visited with a UCLA professor (ret) complaining of no bike trails in a town of 84 souls here in Arkansas. Claims our property taxes are "too low."... OK? High prices begat high taxes and drives home ownership down. Like Europe we become renters and wealth accrues to those already rich. The poor become wards of the state.
 
Perpetual motion, perpetual laughter, perpetual determination to find "vays of making people think" ... about how wealth transfer "will" take place in a world gone mad. Perhaps the Amazon model will be a large raft where the "comet of action" becomes a place to park funds (money). Or not, buy the dip. Laugh.
At this age
perpetual laughter only leads to thinking how far away the bathroom is and if you can make it, considering the 3rd cup of coffee.

otherwise
I think Terrel is correct.

Anyone who can afford a million dollar + home can afford high taxes. Today I visited with a UCLA professor (ret) complaining of no bike trails in a town of 84 souls here in Arkansas. Claims our property taxes are "too low."... OK? High prices begat high taxes and drives home ownership down. Like Europe we become renters and wealth accrues to those already rich. The poor become wards of the state.

Feudalism 2.0

Or maybe I just think that become some one is playing 1940s Scottish music down the hall, too loudly.

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But back to this.

Perpetual motion, perpetual laughter, perpetual determination to find "vays of making people think" ... about how wealth transfer "will" take place in a world gone mad. Perhaps the Amazon model will be a large raft where the "comet of action" becomes a place to park funds (money). Or not, buy the dip. Laugh.

Indulge me in a bit of fantasy speculation for a moment.

If, you were one of the top 10 richest people in the world, you would,
own lots of stock and bonds somewhat diverse,
you would know the other 9 richest people and probably another 20 or so, almost as rich as you,

and all your friends would have similar stock and bond holdings and portfolios.

So, how do you make any money, and how bored would you be with stocks that only fluctuate a penny or two, here and there based on the global population of peons that have little to no money?

Ah, would you pick a day and sell a bunch? Have a mini panic, watch the price drop a good bit, and then buy back in, watch the stock go back up again?

Yes, because that's the only way for you and your friends to make any real money and cut through the boredom of the market going up or down by pennies.


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Anyone who can afford a million dollar + home can afford high taxes. Today I visited with a UCLA professor (ret) complaining of no bike trails in a town of 84 souls here in Arkansas. Claims our property taxes are "too low."... OK? High prices begat high taxes and drives home ownership down. Like Europe we become renters and wealth accrues to those already rich. The poor become wards of the state.

I can't tell you how many people resent Californians moving in and then complaining about no bike paths, schools, shopping, etc.

Full of bicycles, Transylvania seeks solutions for roads, trails with a comprehensive plan
June 24, 2018

bicyclists Brevard.jpg
Hundreds of riders take part in a past Assault on the Carolinas bike race through Brevard.(Photo: Courtesy of Brevard Rotary)

There will be several public meetings to discuss the plan, starting June 26 in the Little River Community Center in Rosman.

“We want to learn about what people in the county think about biking and how we can improve biking safety and improve the interaction between bikes and motorists,” said Mark Burrows, planning and community development director for Transylvania County.

NC rates poorly on cyclist, pedestrian safety
The idea for a bike plan arose from the county’s 2025 Comprehensive Plan, adopted in March 2017, and which addresses improving community safety, Burrows said. The county has been a successful member of Watch for Me NC, a pedestrian and bicycle safety program between the N.C. Department of Transportation, local law enforcement and community members, aimed at reducing bicycle and pedestrian crashes and fatalities in the state.

According to the 2014 Benchmarking Report, the Alliance for Biking and Walking ranked North Carolina 42nd and 46th worst for pedestrian and bicyclist fatality rates per capita, respectively, with nearly 200 bicyclists and pedestrians killed each year by an automobile.

https://www.citizen-times.com/story...vania-looks-order-its-roads-trails/714238002/

That photo above is real. Even when biking in pairs, they won't pull of the road to let traffic by.
 
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