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What's the minimum to call it a kitchen?

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Vermonter

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A friend is buying a 1850s REO farmhouse with a 203k streamline loan. Repairs are for heat, new well, some siding and windows and new dishwasher and fridge. Kitchen is original with one of those huge 6 foot long porcelain sinks on a cabinet base with dishwasher underneath. Stove is antique wood/gas combo stove in good condition. No other cabinets. Just a large antique work bench looking thing with butcher block top attached to the wall and some open shelves.

First appraiser called it an "original" kitchen, found 2 comps with similar kitchens and adjusted accordingly for the others. Did not mark the adverse conditions field.

Lender called for a second appraisal after the repairs and 1004d were done by the first appraiser. Second appraiser made the kitchen a required repair, marked the adverse conditions field and stated "the kitchen must be brought to modern standards" without further detail.

Friend called the appraiser to get more info and the appraiser stated the lack of cabinets and a wood cookstove were health and safety issues, and I'm quoting- "the kitchen did not meet the minimum requirements to be called a kitchen".

Anybody ever heard of any "minimum kitchen" requirements?

Tried telling my friend to get the appraiser to provide a source for this, but she got nowhere and now the lender is balking as well. I've seen the kitchen and while it's sparse, the sink and stove are in excellent shape and work perfectly. A few antiques staged around and I could see it on the cover of Vermont Life. These types of kitchens are not uncommon around here and really don't impact value as much as you'd think.
 
The MPR regarding kitchens is simply:

2-9 SPACE REQUIREMENTS. Each living unit must be provided
with space necessary to assure suitable living, sleeping,
cooking and dining accommodations and sanitary facilities.
 
A stove is not required
 
The MPR regarding kitchens is simply:

2-9 SPACE REQUIREMENTS. Each living unit must be provided
with space necessary to assure suitable living, sleeping,
cooking and dining accommodations and sanitary facilities.

Yeah, that's what I sent my friend. The space for the kitchen is huge by old house standards. Counting the pantry, workspace and shelves, it has more storage than many modern kitchens. It was furnished and functioning upon the appraisers visit. Not sure what she was thinking.

This isn't the first time I've heard of issues with this appraiser and old houses. Another friend had her on the purchase of a 1790s house and she conditioned the floors because they squeaked.

Well on the positive side, this appraiser is my main competition in my coverage area. The more she screws up, the more quality clients come my way.
 
the second appraiser is an idiot. Lack of a "modern" kitchen may be a marketability issue, but is not a mandatory or safety issue.

Reminiscing... about 15 years ago my favorite restaurant cooked all of bread and biscuits in a wood fired oven. Loved that place. Carrabbas used a wood fired grill and oven in a modern restaurant, love the smell and taste.
 
Some appraisers think they are god and pull requirements out of their petootie without any reference or support. Send the lender documentation showing she is an idiot and maybe she will lose a client and get a clue.
 
Some people should stick to the "appraisal" of dull little plastic boxes, all lined up with military precision, square corners all around, each nearly identical in mind-numbing, soul-sucking banality.
 
Some people should stick to the "appraisal" of dull little plastic boxes, all lined up with military precision, square corners all around, each nearly identical in mind-numbing, soul-sucking banality.

LOL Ken... I'm saving this one for future reference and use in a stooooopid AMC review appraiser situation.
 
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