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Kelly Welcome

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Do you measure each room separately or do you just measure the out side perimeter and just certain interior measurements? It seems like a waste of time to measure each individual room. My training has been to show the interior as one big space with each area designated but not closed off. I hope how I am explaining this makes sense.
 
Measuring from the outside is probably the best way to determine an accurate GLA. Of course if your measuring a condo, since ownership rights are limited to interior areas, then you would measure from the inside.

Showing interior walls is usually just personal preference. I have done it before, but its not really necessary.
 
Room sizes

Kelly,

Other than the person who trained me I have never heard or seen anyone measure room sizes. 99% its not necessary; but, I can think of some examples where it could be a factor.

Minimum bedroom size - if you have a bedroom where you don't have enough room for a bed and a dresser - I would say you should show those interior demensions.

In highly competitve markets where few sales are occurring; room size may be a significant factor in a subdivision of highly homogeneous properties. In Naples, FL, there was a significant value difference between a master bedroom that had an extra couple of feet.

I'd say for the most part - in a declining market ...... marketability will increase for homes of optimum room size.

Differientitiation in values occurs in design and appeal during declining markets; just as surely as NUVO designs command more value in appreciating markets ....

Such delineations about room size in highly competitive markets would most likely require "qualitative" value distinctions over "highly quanitative" assertions as related to any market value adjustment.
 
I measure the exterior walls and sketch on ten grid paper. I draw the floor plan to scale, occasionally taking some interior measurements. But most of the floor plan is scaled by eyeballing furniture, location in relation to something I saw on the exterior, etc. If the rooms fit into the exterior dimensions--then I feel more confidant about my measurements. That detailed floor plan (and interior photos) helps me remember the subject house more clearly. I don't use my interior details to calculate the livable area but it is a great visual aid.
 
When you measure:

Exterior perimeter measurements are only required. However in most cases, I measure the interior walls to verify my exterior perimeter measurements. This also slows me down so that I observe all of the interior finishing. I know appraiser's that can inspect a simple floor plan (interior only) in about 5-10 minutes. In my opinion, sketches with interior walls, doorways and closets show more professional work than those of just perimeter measurements. It also illustrates the appraiser more throughly observed the interior of the house. Takes me about 10-15 minutes more time to insert the interior walls on most houses. I do believe that when you run into a property with a non-functional floor plan, the interior sketch will show the obsolsecence. When running into this problem, the interior floor plan should be shown. I do also believe this is an edge over competition just showing perimeter measurements.
 
Just get the measurements right......

James Sturm said:
Exterior perimeter measurements are only required. However in most cases, I measure the interior walls to verify my exterior perimeter measurements. This also slows me down so that I observe all of the interior finishing. I know appraiser's that can inspect a simple floor plan (interior only) in about 5-10 minutes. In my opinion, sketches with interior walls, doorways and closets show more professional work than those of just perimeter measurements. It also illustrates the appraiser more throughly observed the interior of the house. Takes me about 10-15 minutes more time to insert the interior walls on most houses. I do believe that when you run into a property with a non-functional floor plan, the interior sketch will show the obsolsecence. When running into this problem, the interior floor plan should be shown. I do also believe this is an edge over competition just showing perimeter measurements.

In my drawings I show all walls, doors and staircases. It is not always required though. But I do it for my own piece of mind. When reviewing I have seen some pretty drawings with all the bells and whistles included. However, they added 200 -500 sq.ft to the overall GLA. I don't penalize anyone for not including interior walls in there sketches but if you do not know how to measure in the first place well.....
 
Interior room measurements are great for the realtor creating a new listing and giving that info to prospective buyers......yet, not necessary from the appraiser's perspective. Everything fits "in the box", and so you must first sketch that exterior perimeter line which closes-the-loop. I also sketch on ten-grid paper (Alvin - Cross Section # 1422-5) and draw my lines to match those measured lengths. I write exact number (Ft.+In.) from the tape as I progress around.

I do no effective rounding-off until it's time to draw in Apex. The # for each "end" of the hose should be the same, as too the # for each "side" of the house......or the loop does not close nicely. I sketch in 1/2-ft. increments, as does my county, and I find that all generally works out just fine to "round" 1-3" down to the whole foot, 4-9" to the 1/2-foot, and 9"+ up to that next whole foot. I note distances to ALL doorways from corners, primary windows and a few other aspects as I go around and that offers key perspective when inside and posting any primary interior wall segments near those things. I also place abbrevaited indictations of floor material as that changes per room and levels. I also post flag-markers at certain places with text related to any supplemental photo or improvement description (detriment) that I may have given in the report.

During my first year in this biz in 1998 I had a formal challenge to my measurement of a house, and I told an owner that he basically had 480sf LESS than he thought he had purchased. He went ballistic, and complained to the State. Eventually the investigator came out and measured the house. It was me......against the h/o, the county, a listing realty agent, and another appraiser. Very unique house, 5 levels, on a 45-deg. slope. It was concluded that I was correct, and the others were all overly exuberant in their denial of the facts in my report. Phew ! Ever since then, my sketches are usually full, and they tell a story just like the words in the report. Measuring and sketching is a very special process that gives an appraiser the up-close-and-personal interaction with the house. No one has challenged my physical house data, or my observations of improvement conditions, etc. in the last 7 years.

With many folks saying that business volume is "down" these days (and it is for me, dang it all ! ) then all should have a few extra minutes to give toward measuring, observations and then sketching. Make it impossible for someone to ever say that.......you missed something critical about the subject property when you were out there !
 
Just getting the measurements right

In regards to:

"When reviewing I have seen some pretty drawings with all the bells and whistles included. However, they added 200 -500 sq.ft to the overall GLA. I don't penalize anyone for not including interior walls in there sketches but if you do not know how to measure in the first place well....."

Are you a review appraiser. Wondering why you are negative?

As far as my experience measuring houses:

*Home improvement industry (9 years). If you measure wrong in this industry you usually end up paying for wrong measurements.

*Appraising (13 Years)

The reason I show an interior floor plan is that usually the reader will know that extra time was spent for more accurate measurements. If the interior wall (floor plan) measurements do not fit within the exterior perimeter measurements, you can conclude a mistake on the exterior measurements. Comparing an interior wall measurement with an exterior wall measurement of the same side of the house, you can determine the exterior wall thickness.

Wondering how many appraiser's out there reference (within the appraisal) their measurements not agreeing with the county's reporting GLA. I make comments on the sketch page and the subject's property description.
 
GLA is an exterior measure. Net Living area would be sans walls.

Our assessor measures with a wheel which is not very accurate but usually within 1' of my own measurements. Their 10, 13, 24 might be my 9.8, 13.2, 24.3. I am usually within 50 SF of the assessor.
 
Get a copy of ANSI Z-78 and it will help you.
 
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