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Insight into Reverse Mtg. deals, please

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Sorry looks like your up by Cook/Lake county

SAC for Chicago is Robert Grant
312-412-6700

Local number/addy is, I do not know who the ASAC is for this office.
1600 Golf Road, Suite 1050
Rolling Meadows, Illinois 60008
(847) 290-0525

So how are you doing Dave with all this info I have given you?
 
I see Reverse Mortgages as a last resort for a older HO who needs
the steady income. It has an insurance element to it and the
amount of equity they are 'taking' from the HO is significant.

So much better to have a son/daughter pull the mortgage, since
they are going to most likely be the heir anyway. RMs just put
a bunch of money in lender and title company pockets.

What if there is more than 1 "son or daughter/" And, what EQUITY are they taking? The owner makes no payments. That "equity" gets paid to the folks in monthly installments or they can take a lump sum. Interest and equity accrue until the old folks die or move out. This heirs get what's left after those accrued payments are paid off.

I do not understand anyone who would not want their parents to have the best life possible.
 
Mike,
I, of course, assumed a 'functional' family. I probably do two appraisals
a month for heirs who consist of two or more siblings who don't get along, who
think one is stupid and the other is a crook or greedy. Mom always liked me
best so I didn't have those issues.

I don't think the final chapter has been written on RM. Seems to me there
are a lot of fees and the HO is paying a 'insurance' premium (and they are
old). If the real estate market does this, and the yen does the other thing,
hey it might be a 'good' thing.

"I do not understand anyone who would not want their parents to have the best life possible." Sounds like a line
from a whole life insurance agent, a funeral director, or a Reverse MB.
 
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Mike,
I, of course, assumed a 'functional' family. I probably do two appraisals
a month for heirs who consist of two or more siblings who don't get along, who
think one is stupid and the other is a crook or greedy. Mom always liked me
best so I didn't have those issues.

I don't think the final chapter has been written on RM. Seems to me there
are a lot of fees and the HO is paying a 'insurance' premium (and they are
old). If the real estate market does this, and the yen does the other thing,
hey it might be a 'good' thing.

"I do not understand anyone who would not want their parents to have the best life possible." Sounds like a line from a whole life insurance agent or funeral director.

The fees are standard FHA fees. The insurance is mutual mortgage insurance just as in a typical FHA refinance. I think the MMI is paid in full for the anticipated life of the loan at closing. Admittedly, that is a stiff cost but not bad if you amortize it out for life.

To have one of the heirs refinance in their own names opens a can of worms and the possibility of an endless legal battle on who gets what. Even otherwise totally functional families fight over the who gets what syndrome. To me, an RM is so much better than forcing old folks to have to make a choice of buying their meds and eating pet food. Most old folks have at least a little dignity left and they should have the choice of how to spend their own money.
 
Mike,
Generics at Walmart are $10 for 90 days.

I don't think I've done a RM for anybody who had to make
a decision between pet food and meds. I've had very wealthy
people do them, then sell the house and pay them off. I've done
them and the people have walked away from the final closing.
My guess is at the end of the day, the APRs are going to be very
high in relation to alternatives. I will concede that that it might
really benefit some, but I think its a slick product for most of
our most vulnerable seniors.
 
What if there is more than 1 "son or daughter/" And, what EQUITY are they taking? The owner makes no payments. That "equity" gets paid to the folks in monthly installments or they can take a lump sum. Interest and equity accrue until the old folks die or move out. This heirs get what's left after those accrued payments are paid off.

I do not understand anyone who would not want their parents to have the best life possible.


Thanks for bringing the thread back on track. The thread crappers had taken over!

I think the Green Hornet was the last on point, sensible poster prior to you, Mike.

I was trained in RM by my current employer but chose to not do them (I would have had to do them and them alone). The training was quite valuable in helping me know when to refer someone to a RM specialist.

Those of you without a clue (most on this thread, I'd say), go to AARP site. They have quite a bit of useful info. There is also a reverse mortgage association that offers valuable information.

By far, in most areas of the USA, the HUD insured "Home Equity Reverse Mortgage" is the predominant product. This field is regulated big time. Sure there are crooks in the business, but there are many more dedicated loan originators that will bust them in a heartbeat. Where I work, the RM LO's are well screened & I don't know one of them that will cut corners and do the wrong thing when no one is looking but them. I am sure there are some, but not among the 4 I know.

Marketing RM takes extreme patience. Mandatory HUD approved counseling. There probably is a bit more urging to appraise at x value, mostly because the LO is rooting for the situation of the people they are helping.

The note signed is a non-recourse note. The perfect person for a RM is someone that is likely to stay their home so long that they are upside down.

Think of someone that is 72, no job, owes 125K on a 200K home, on SS & part time at Wal-mart as a greeter. Still can't service the mortgage, pay the taxes and eat. Something has to give, but his credit is shot, and the debt ratios are over normal lending parameters. The person is in OK health & will probably live to over 80, probably 85+. Pretty hopeless.

FHA HECM: 500 credit score, no problem, 70% debt to income ratio, no problem. The guy doesn't have to go live in government housing or downsize into a shoe or card board box. He gets a RM which, in his case will pay off the 125K mortgage balance and leave him with no house payment for the rest of his life, as long as he stays there with no gaps more than a year.

Do you think a younger relative might move in and look after him/her? Perhaps a live in that does simple housekeeping and 2 meals a day for rent?

The guy/gal probably bought 10+ years in his/her home with peace of mind. Relatives will have peace of mind as well except for the greedy inheritance types. FM, let them suffer:)

If the person owned the home free and clear, they would receive their choice of $770/Mo for as long as they lived there, or a line of credit for $125,000 that grows at the note rate plus 1/2%. Yup. Lock in appreciation even in a declining market.

Guess what? If the owner stays healthy & in the home, the long term appreciation rate is closer to 7% since the note is variable rate and short term rates are temporarily low. That 125,000 will double in 10 years. No declining market here. The estate can draw out the LOC if the owner dies suddenly. Non recourse note. The LOC is owned by the homeowner.

Combinations of LOC, monthly payments and lump sum cash can be the proceeds of a RM. There are winning combinations for the over 62 crowd. Please get educated on this matter before you post wild things on a forum that real people in need of a solution might accidentally read. Such unlearned comments recklessly ****** into the wind can cause unnecessary damage.

Thank you.
 
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http://real-estate.lawyers.com/Reverse-Mortgages.html

http://money.cnn.com/2004/03/30/pf/expert/ask_expert/index.htm

"Guess what? If the owner stays healthy & in the home, the long term appreciation rate is closer to 7% since the note is variable rate and short term rates are temporarily low. That 125,000 will double in 10 years. No declining market here. The estate can draw out the LOC if the owner dies suddenly. Non recourse note. The LOC is owned by the homeowner."

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Custom kitchen deliveries
We gotta move these refrigerators
We gotta move these colour tvs

That aint workin thats the way you do it
Get your money for nothin get your chicks for free
 
Mike,
Generics at Walmart are $10 for 90 days.

I don't think I've done a RM for anybody who had to make
a decision between pet food and meds. I've had very wealthy
people do them, then sell the house and pay them off. I've done
them and the people have walked away from the final closing.
My guess is at the end of the day, the APRs are going to be very
high in relation to alternatives. I will concede that that it might
really benefit some, but I think its a slick product for most of
our most vulnerable seniors.

I attempted to generate 2 RMs back when I was in that biz. Both were widows and their homes were paid for. They were both in their 80s. One wanted to take a lump sum and take cruises until her money ran out or she died. She was hoping for the latter. The other was going to take monthly payments so she could live the way she had become accustomed to when her husband was alive and they had his full retirement to live on. She particularly wanted to be able to buy gifts for her grandschildren at Christmas and on birthdays. Either would have benefited as the RM would allow them to be active and to participate in life. Both are dead now. I remember when her house went into probate. That was the one that wanted to buy gifts for her grandchildren. The other one died of cancer not long after her son nixed her life cruise. HE is now living in that house---or he was. He probably refi'd to the max and lost it in foreclosure. Just guessing. He was a real estate agent.

Both were intimidated by their sons not to do it. Most younger people do not know how life is when you are alone and in your 70s, 80s and beyond. You want to live for the moment as that NEXT moment might find you laying on the floor all night gasping for that last breath.
 
Lets get simple.

Don't deal with scumbags.I don't, most here don't. If you do, you have no one to ***** to except the man in the mirror.I don't want a response and do yourself a favor and for once refrain from giving one. We all have hope for you, you are on the right page, just tell the scumbags the answer is no and run your business accordingly. If you can't do that you have no right being on this board. IMO.
 
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