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Insight into Reverse Mtg. deals, please

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Reverse Mortgage - Few negative*issues.
June 2, 2008 by reverseamortgage
There are a few negative issues with reverse mortgages.*
* - There is a ceiling on the amount that can be borrowed.*
* - If you are on SSI or Medicaid you can lose benefits if you don’t spend down your ***********entire loan amount every month.*
* - The upfront closing costs and loan origination fees can be 8 percent to 10 percent of the loan limit. That’s equivalent to paying 8 to 10 points on a conventional mortgage loan.
It is important to realize that, even though you don’t have to repay the loan until you leave the house, you’re still incurring debt. If your home value appreciates fast enough — a big “if” these days — that appreciation could offset some of your borrowing costs. But in most cases the amount you owe (your loans plus interest) grows over time, while your equity declines. And don’t forget that you’re still responsible for the ongoing costs of maintenance, insurance and real estate taxes.
*- Your kids *might be upset to discover the bank owns a substantial portion, or even all, of your home. Be sure to talk to your heirs if you plan to take out a reverse mortgage. Granted, they’ll want what’s best for you in the long run, but it’s always wise to avoid surprises.
A reverse mortgage should never be the centerpiece of your retirement plan, but it can make sense for some people.
*** Remember - the loan limits and fees vary by provider, so be sure to research them thoroughly


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NY Times article.....

For example, with the F.H.A.'s tenure plan and an interest rate of 7.35 percent, a 77-year-old borrower whose property is worth $120,000 would receive a monthly payment of $498.74 and would incur closing costs of about $6,000. If such a loan were held for only two years the borrower would have received $11,970 in monthly payments and would owe the lender $20,317 -- which includes principal, interest and costs of the loan. That would result in an effective annual interest rate -- because the closing costs are included in computing the cost of the loan -- of 47.33 percent over the two-year period.
If the same loan were held for 10 years, on the other hand, the borrower would have received $59,850 and the amount owed would be $108,105. The effective annual interest rate, however, would be 10.06 percent because the costs -- again, as in the previous example, included in calculating the effective interest charged -- would have been spread out over 10 years. Knowing the effective annual percentage rate, Ms. Barriere said, allows borrowers to match ''apples with apples'' when comparing one lender's mortgage with another's. ''That makes very clear to the borrower that you get the most bang for your buck the longer you stay in the property,'' she said
 
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I highly suggest going to source information such as HUD web site.


My second choice for the general public would be the AARP site. Play with the RM calculator.
The stagecoach lender has a great web site with RM info.

Branding, reputation on the line(the latter two), they have very informative web sites and offer a balanced perspective that have a permanent presence.

There is good information in general press articles on the subject now and then, but, oh so many misleading comments, some of which are probably accidental, many to stir human interest (sell papers).

Still, the average appraiser would end up knowing more than they already do about RM by reading any of the sources.

Financial planners are hit and miss. I believe their mind set and training is so focused in wealth building that they fail to change strategies when it comes to the end game (end of personal non-passive earnings).

After all, at that point, what do they hope to sell? Most are compensated by commission. But, some are not. Anyway, I believe that financial planners are only beginning to get up to speed with options for people with little if any investment income.

A bottle of water for someone lost in the desert at any price is better than no option at all. Think about how much a continuous stream of water is worth to someone in that position?

It doesn't make much sense to whip out the HP and do APR calculations, comparing the result in a way suitable for evaluating A paper buyers with good income and credit and the prospect of continuing employment for years.

But it does make sense for realistic options to be weighed against each other such as selling and moving into subsidized rental housing (if available & acceptable).
 
Hi,

We receive calls for reverse mortgage deals quite often. Certainly much more than any time in the past. I am hoping that many of you do, too.

What I am seeing with these is frightening. The LOs working these deals are as aggressive, if not more, than any others I've seen, and I can rarely pull in their orders due to not promising values up front.

I have not experienced that in the reverse mortage appraisals I have done.

This came to a boiling point today, when a company (literally) demanded that we not proceed until we promised $650,000 for a home in Oak Park, Illinois. We have the order, but were told to forget it until we promised. (They were smart, they didn't put that in writing, only on the phone verbally.) We shucked, we jived, we did the "Three Ds of Dodgeball," but they told us to forget it if we didn't promise.

"NO....That is fraud" works for me. They usually don't bug me anymore after that. That way I can concentrate on my good clients.

And this has happened on the last 5, at least, to my knowledge.

Is it that easy for these LOs to prey upon elderly citizens? Will they not lose even a wink of sleep knowing full well that they are on a mission to commit acts of fraud with every order? I don't understand it, it seems so evil to me, more so than the average imbecile with whom I deal with every day, that I become rather violent inside and want to do nasty things as a result.

Borrowers are largely not victims they are the driving force to 'make value' due to their specific needs. Rarely does a borrower think their home is not worth what is needed to do the loan. Be aware that reverse mortgages can be done starting at age 62. I don't know how old you are but I can assure you that a 62-year-old (and older) is well aware of what they are doing. I would not make the leap that most are doddering old fools. (not saying you did, just a figure of speech) Many 'shop' loans on the internet looking for the best deal.

Lots of LO's are pressured to be 'closers' and will do anything to close a loan, that is the nature of the business they are in. Many are ignorant or don't really care. I know you are ranting and I do the same occasionally but it's best to just say NO and move on.
 
Tell them to get lost

What's the matter with you, Robert? What shall I tell them, repeat a nasty conversation I had with this idiot that he can deny? I have an order that was completely innocent, but an idiot who changed the rules once we received it.

I cannot do anything about that accept share it ehre with you all and get it out of my system.

Dave....
Quit crying just man up and tell the guy to get lost get on with your life and 10 years from this will all be a joke. My way is this it's a free a country if I want to fire you and not take your appraisals I don't have to.
 
Yes

There you go again. No wonder so few who attend this forum post with any regularity.

"Observations?" No, people like you, Higgins, Rex, and the usual suspects, they don't make any of those. Hatch and a few others here *honestly* make those.

You make judgments & condemnations, and regularly so, and all the while holler little unjustly accused little angels that you're doing no such thing. Incredible.

Hey, but thanks for popping into this thread, PE.

Dave...
I never like to ask a question on this site because your correct about what your saying. I think this site has become more of an entertainment blog than any type of learning experience.:fiddle:
 
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