Virgina REAB and Portal Petition

[Carnivore]

Yes. And the ASC has already had some heart-to-heart discussions with Boards that interpreted USPAP in a manner contrary to the ASB's interpretation. Why do you think states rescinded those infamous policies prohibiting exterior-only inspections?

What are you saying. Do you mean if a board(s) come out and say exactly how a file must be preserved that the ASC will spank them!

 

[woodyva]

Danny:

Come on man, you are white washing everyone's common sense here. Why can not the appraiser have a viewer and printer. What is the big secret? There is a reason FNC does not want us to have access to these things.

You helped FNC with the RDB while a part of the leadership at the AI, you more than anyone that come sup here should be able to answer that. What is FNC doing with our reports and why? This is not an attack, but you have to admit that you have a vantage here that no one else does here.

 

[Carnivore]

I have the files that I sent, and I have the ability to pull them up on my screen. If a board wants to see them, they will have to obtain a viewer, just as they would have to obtain a viewer to see my PDF, Excel or SFREP files.

I had to bring this back up because it just needed to be done. Now that we have had a taste of you attitude twoards State Boards. Will you show the same contempt in responding to a subpeona for documents from a general court of Justice in Tennessee?

I am not threatening at all. I am just asking a question to try and understand your hardcore position.

 

[woodyva]

I think that perhaps we are all jumping a little over the edge with this thing. Web portals are not regulated by USPAP. No technology really is. USPAP sets standards for appraisers. There is no issue here to FNC, ZAIO, or any other company that claims USPAP compliance. The appraisers that work within them are non-compliant, if in fact they are performing work without adhering to the rule book.

 

[woodyva]

As I see it, there seem to be several issues here.


4. Datamining is not an issue? FNC and other portals are entitled to the data, to then turn around and sell to lenders, appraisers, etc at a profit? Has anyone considered this.....much of the data in those reports comes from various MLS systems, which appraisers must PAY to access and use the data. Most MLS systems and the Real Estate Associations controlling them state quite clearly that non-members are not entitled to that information. Oh - its public information? Guess again - not always. IE: our Association has an arrangement with the county assessment office. FULL information is available to paying members only - public information is quite a bit less detailed. The information I use to develop a report is through our MLS and therefore NOT public - and much of it is not available to the public. As I cannot give the information freely, and as FNC is not a paying member, they are, in effect, STEALING that data. I do believe our association might be very interested to know that THEIR data is being stolen. I wonder just how many other MLS providers would like to know that their proprietary data is being stolen and then resold at a profit?

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Bearslide: you are a genius...
The only issue I can speak of that I see: the largest owner of MLS's in the country is First American.

 

[TJSum]

Jonesy,

Since it is so obvious that what I say is wrong, then you should easily be able to show the error of my ways. So, show me, using only the words in USPAP, where the problem is. Remember, USPAP compliance must be judged by what is written, not by what someone thinks should be written, in USPAP.

What is so hard to understand about lines 298 and 299 in USPAP? An electronic copy satisfies the requirement of a true copy. Can you find a passage in USPAP that requires a printed copy? If you can, I will gladly send you my next appraisal fee.

DW

I think the spirit of USPAP intented for it to be okay for electronic STORAGE of any particular file or report, so that the appraiser could use this electronic storage file TO PRODUCE a hard copy on demand by any regulatory agency. It is not on the agency to produce the report, it is on the appraiser.

 

[McPheeters]

I think that perhaps we are all jumping a little over the edge with this thing. Web portals are not regulated by USPAP. No technology really is. USPAP sets standards for appraisers. There is no issue here to FNC, ZAIO, or any other company that claims USPAP compliance. The appraisers that work within them are non-compliant, if in fact they are performing work without adhering to the rule book.

So would it be safe to say that if an AMC client informs me "from now on you will deliver reports to us through Appraisalport or you will get no more assignments from us", (and this delivery process will include, with my knowledge: my signature being removed, my report altered and the inability for me to have a readable copy for my records) that I could very well be in non compliance with USPAP for at least failure to maintain control of my signature, and not retaining a true copy of the report I sent?

 

[Ken B]

Just as safe as saying that if I believe in magic, the guy on stage really did saw that lady in two.

 

[McPheeters]

I think the spirit of USPAP intented for it to be okay for electronic STORAGE of any particular file or report, so that the appraiser could use this electronic storage file TO PRODUCE a hard copy on demand by any regulatory agency. It is not on the agency to produce the report, it is on the appraiser.

Thank you TJ for this post. I'm thinking that when Board Member Bob calls an asks for copies of my last 12 reports with workfiles that he will find no humor in my sending him 12 ENV files on a disc that he can not open and read.....and I will probably not want to push that humor by insisting that "after all Bob, USPAP does not say I have to have a paper copy"

 

[Workbox]

I think the spirit of USPAP intented for it to be okay for electronic STORAGE of any particular file or report, so that the appraiser could use this electronic storage file TO PRODUCE a hard copy on demand by any regulatory agency. It is not on the agency to produce the report, it is on the appraiser.

Thank you, ..........