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July 2008 ASC Q&a- Wink Wink Comp Comp

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The general principals still apply:
- Appraisers can perform appraisals,
- Appraisers can perform appraisals for free if they wish.
- Appraisers are not allowed to accept assignments that have improper contingencies.
- Not all assignments an appraiser might choose to perform for free have improper contingencies.
- Not all "2nd assignments" are engaged with improper contingencies.
- Not all clients who want to look before they leap are requiring a minimum value for their 2nd appraisals.
- Not all appraisers who choose at one time or another to do any of the above are acting unethically.

It is because you guys cannot escape or evade any of the above facts that you are incorrect about the propriety of the ASBs Q&A.

"Not all ..., - Not all, ...,..." This shows the weakness of the legalistic/regulatory point of view in dealing with problems. It really explains why nothing real has been accomplished in the past 20 years with regard to overvaluation by appraisers. .... It ignores issues of cause and effect, probability/risk, feedback and other systems theoretic factors.

Congress has just passed new laws and regulations. But the "system" is still intact. Will somebody PLEASE fix the system?

Bert Craytor, SRA
 
What can we say, Bert? USPAP gets adopted into law and is used by government as a benchmark for conduct. That means that at least some users of USPAP will reading it with a legalistic/regulatory point of view.

You can be sure that the donkeys who are constantly trying to find the rationale to support their swerves have been doing the same. We have to deal with these people on a realistic and enforceable level.

This ain't checkers, it's chess.
 
The only way Mr K will be satisfied is if they modify USPAP to only allow interior residentail appraisals. No contract price, no contact with the outside world while performing the appraisal, or there may be meddling. No other types of assignments allowed, or there may be grey areas. As profesionals we can't be expected to act ethically on our own. It must be legislated. Wait, there already is a rule like that, I can't recall the nomenclature, but its something like the Ethics Rule.:Eyecrazy:

You commercial appraisers will have to get your own USPAP. There will be no room in the new narrower scope MK USPAP for you guys.


The Status Quo worked exceedingly well in the 1980s.....and obviously according to some - has worked as well in the last 10 years.

Reality trumps Theory. The results speak for themselves.
 
Amen, brother.

And you call that substance? I looked harder. It's still black and white, night and day. No gray. That was an explicit demand to hit a number.

Exactly correct. Welcome to the "Comp Check" Reality. Congratulations. It only took 60 pages. Good job. :clapping:
 
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Which part of an appropriate response is so hard to understand? The "n" or the "o?"
 
"Not all ..., - Not all, ...,..." This shows the weakness of the legalistic/regulatory point of view in dealing with problems. It really explains why nothing real has been accomplished in the past 20 years with regard to overvaluation by appraisers. .... It ignores issues of cause and effect, probability/risk, feedback and other systems theoretic factors.

Congress has just passed new laws and regulations. But the "system" is still intact. Will somebody PLEASE fix the system?

Bert Craytor, SRA

Ms. Craytor,

Thank you! ... I said it too. Differently, but I said it. I said these last questions and answers simply were not needed by anyone. I know, you know, all our boards know, that appraisers cannot send out misleading appraisal reports... Duh! .... I know, you know, everybody knows, that appraisers should not accept assignments with contingent results... Duh! .. ALL of this has been in every USPAP class for years now.

What all appraisers across this country needed was an authority to determine if web portals and conversion programs, each one specifically, was doing something that resulted in a misleading appraisal report if that web portal or conversion software was used by any appraiser. What we DID NOT need was to be told that all of us, individually, are responsible for figuring out high tech stuff, that may have secrets and programing not being disclosed to us, may or may not result in misleading appraisal reports! The responsibility for this should have been dumped right back on the businesses pressuring appraisers to use those portals, and conversion programs, by requiring those businesses to prove no prostitution of appraisers reports was going on and that this be approved by all state appraisal boards for publication of that approval before any appraiser could comply and use any of them!

Next, this stuff of just telling us, yet again, no contingencies can be at play, in a following second assignment, if we do this so-called "Comp Search" stuff is not a solution.. Like the above, it is just dumping another "Duh" on all the appraisers without bothering to tell any of them exactly how they are supposed to do that. Setting up all appraisers for a fall if our dear authorities should decide that our individual solutions was not a solution in their opinion. So our guiding agencies continue with NOT providing our industry approved solutions. They do however reserve the rights to penalize all of us if we try to solve it for ourselves, like they basically told us we have to do, but they don't like our 10,000 different solutions we came up with due to no real answers from those agencies that actually solve the problems.

It's why I said the mission of these agencies have to be changed. Dumping everything back on a country of appraisers to solve is not working. It has not worked, it is not going to work. Just saying "We will whack you if you don't do it right, but we will not determine what right is, only what wrong was when we whack you" is the wrong mission.

Webbed.
 
You can be sure that the donkeys who are constantly trying to find the rationale to support their swerves have been doing the same. We have to deal with these people on a realistic and enforceable level.

This ain't checkers, it's chess.

Some of these guys (who typically run AMCs) are actually pretty darned smart. Heck, if they loose their license, they can still run the AMC ... and they do.

They are smart enough to know the weaknesses and loopholes in the system and where to pull the strings.

As many have stated, rules and regulations don't mean much without effective enforcement. Fixing the system means you have to fix enforcement. Enforcement it a physical and costly intrument. It takes real resources to do field reviews, including all the support that goes behind the necessary analysis, monitoring, legal proceedings, etc..

Given the limited resources to support enforcement, the real solution boils down to making enforcement more efficient. That requires re-engineering the entire system - or at least large parts of it.

Bert Craytor, SRA
 
Ah, the heck with it. Turn it all over to the computers. That way they can be programmed exactly the way the "authorities" require. No need to worry about ethics or judgement. No need to worry about portals or voodoo software. No bad attitudes or concerns about the price of gas or Skippy. Just run a nice statistical analysis and get a number. That's all anyone needs anyhow.
 
was an explicit demand to hit a number
.Exactly correct. Welcome to the "Comp Check" Reality. Congratulations. It only took 60 pages. Good job. :clapping:
Huh? A demand for a value and a agreement, does not require a comp check. Thanks, but I never leaft reality.

Reality trumps Theory. The results speak for themselves.
What results? The wealthiest country in the world? The highest standard of living? A country whose major health concern is being too fat instead of starving to death?

I can play your game, too. Reality trumps your theory.

So, it really isn't about comp checks and the QA, per se? It's accept the Kennedy Gospel or face the consequences. Sorry, you can make prices stop going down, either.
 
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