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FHA policy Unconstitutional

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Your original post "This is patently unconstitutional. If there is anything that is certain about the Constitution it is that the law has to be uniform throughout the country. You cant have one law for New York and a different law California."

I see you had to quantify your original statement, because no where did you state in your original post anything about Federal laws, just laws in general. As far as being ignorant about the law, see your PM.

Yes, I forgot to say Federal law but that is what we were discussing ( a federal law) and what I meant.
 
Check again.

When the US government acts unconstitutionally, you dont need their permission to sue them.
Yes, the US government must agree to be sued; it's a concept called sovereign immunity.
 
Remedy for agencies unconstitutioal actions

Yes, the US government must agree to be sued; it's a concept called sovereign immunity.

There is a remedy for unconstitutional actions by a federal agency:


U.S. Supreme Court
LUJAN v. DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE, 504 U.S. 555 (1992)



“Over the years, our cases have established that the irreducible constitutional minimum of standing contains three elements. First, the plaintiff must have suffered an "injury in fact" - an invasion of a legally-protected interest which is (a) concrete and particularized, see id., at 756; Warth v. Seldin, 422 U.S. 490, 508 (1975); Sierra Club v. Morton, 405 U.S. 727, 740 -741, n. 16 (1972); 1 and (b) "actual or imminent, not `conjectural' or `hypothetical,'" Whitmore, supra, at 155 (quoting Los Angeles v. Lyons, 461 U.S. 95, 102 (1983)). Second, there must be a causal connection between the injury and the conduct complained of - the injury has to be "fairly . . . trace[able] to the challenged action of the defendant, and not . . . th[e] result [of] the independent action of some third party not before the court." Simon v. Eastern K. Welfare [504 U.S. 555, 561] Rights Organization, 426 U.S. 26, 41 -42 (1976). Third, it must be "likely," as opposed to merely "speculative," that the injury will be "redressed by a favorable decision." Id., at 38, 43.
The party invoking federal jurisdiction bears the burden of establishing these elements. See FW/PBS, Inc. v. Dallas, 493 U.S. 215, 231 (1990); Warth, supra, at 508. Since they are not mere pleading requirements, but rather an indispensable part of the plaintiff's case, each element must be supported in the same way as any other matter on which the plaintiff bears the burden of proof, i.e., with the manner and degree of evidence required at the successive stages of the litigation. See Lujan v. National Wildlife Federation, 497 U.S. 871, 883 -889 (1990); Gladstone, Realtors v. Village of Bellwood, 441 U.S. 91, 114 -115, and n. 31 (1979); Simon, supra, at 45, n. 25; Warth, supra, at 527, and n. 6 (Brennan, J., dissenting). At the pleading stage, general factual allegations of injury resulting from the defendant's conduct may suffice, for on a motion to dismiss, we "presum[e] that general allegations embrace those specific facts that are necessary to support the claim." National Wildlife Federation, supra, at 889. In response to a summary judgment motion, however, the plaintiff can no longer rest on such "mere allegations," but must "set forth" by affidavit or other evidence "specific facts," Fed.Rule Civ.Proc. 56(e), which for purposes of the summary judgment motion will be taken to be true. And at the final stage, those facts (if controverted) must be "supported adequately by the evidence adduced at trial." Gladstone, supra, at 115, n. 31.
When the suit is one challenging the legality of government action or inaction, the nature and extent of facts that must be averred (at the summary judgment stage) or proved (at the trial stage) in order to establish standing depend considerably upon whether the plaintiff is himself an object of the action (or forgone action) at issue. If he is, there is ordinarily little question that the action or inaction has [504 U.S. 555, 562] caused him injury, and that a judgment preventing or requiring the action will redress it”
 
You do realize you are quoting a case where the Supreme Court ruled the people lack standing to sue don't you? Beside the point that the Supreme Court rejected their claim to have standing to sue, it has nothing to do with a waiver of Sovereign Immunity.
 
If you lics. folks are getting sue happy, why don't you add some of the lenders and brokers that require appraisers to be certified. I know there are some out there. Have any of you lics folks stopped receiveing orders from brokers because their "investor is requiring certified only. Wait... I know what you have been doing, you have a certified buddy that is more than happy to sign off on your reports as supervisor when you run against the "certified only" road block........right.

Go get certified. You first clue that the industry and users of our serivce would be moving away from the lics level was when the education requirements increased Jan. 2008. Shame on you professionals that didn't get certified then. Now its going to cost you more and take more time. Quit your whining.
 
Is it too much to ask that FHA apply the law in a fair, equitable, and constitutional manner?

Some appraisers are out of work because of this.
 
right.

Is it too much to ask that FHA apply the law in a fair, equitable, and constitutional manner?

Some appraisers are out of work because of this.
You're right. They should have just thrown all Licensed appraisers off the roster on October 1st as directed by the Congress and the President through the law that was passed. That would have been the most constitutional and equitable thing to do. As for fair, life is not fair so get over it.

Look on the bright side and just be glad the Licensed level still exists at all. :new_all_coholic:
 
Its no big deal to be certified. Anyone that wants to can do it. And the ones that did if before Jan. 1 didnt do much.
 
There certainly was, and is writing on the wall for anyone willing to view it. You may not have any $1,000,000 properties, but I bet you will have a tough one over $250,000.

Many people like me who who care about the welfare of their fellow appraisers have sounded the warning to upgrade for years. Instead of being appreciated, we were greeted with scorn in the form of accusations of being pompous jerks who didn't realize you didn't need no stink'n certification. Now it turns out the warnings should have been heeded, and still the denial persists. I have no sympathy at all for any Licensed appraiser thrown off the FHA list. It's their own damn fault for being so arrogant.

Good post. Just taking this forum into cosideration: For two years posters here recommended licensed appraisers upgrade before the current requirements. As you point out, this was frequently met with disdain. Now, a bunch of folks who were around and posting during that time are claiming nobody saw changes coming for licensed appraisers.

I also heard multiple CE teachers recommend that anyone still licensed should take the time to upgrade. I'm quite certain that the instructors in my classes weren't the only ones bringing this up.

My favorite rationalization is the implied concept of "those who upgraded before the change are skippies". Yep, the ethical appraisers stood their grounds while skippy went and upgraded.

Doug - I wish you well with your suit. Or are you just complaining and hoping someone else will jump on it for you?
 
Its no big deal to be certified. Anyone that wants to can do it. And the ones that did if before Jan. 1 didnt do much.

But they did more than some. And they did what was necessary for their job.
 
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