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Non FHA; does a fireplace count as a permenant heat source

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Working on a duplex in California. Each unit has a fireplace, but no other heat source. Should I condition this report subject to a permanent heat source, does the fireplace satisfy, or does it even matter for a non-FHA order?

No way Jose'

All rooms have to have a "permanent" heat source that is thermostatically controlled in a geographical area where pipes freeze. Otherwise it doesn't comply with any of the GSEs requirements I know of.
 
Duckboy, La Jolla will freeze over when hell freezes over. It just ain't gonna happen!
 
Webb... La Jolla is on the coast, about 20 miles north of Tiajuana. It seldom gets below 55 degrees.
 
In my market this is common, so I do consider them permenant.

What a bunch of horse dung. What in the world is your "market"? The Warm Springs Indian Reservation? Wait, I insult them as a lot of them actually have heat in their houses! There isn't anywhere in Oregon water pipes cannot freeze in the winter. There is no such thing as a manually fueled fireplace located on one room of any SFR structure here that qualifies as a "permanent" heat source.

That view is certainly in keeping with your forum moniker...... What an unload.....
 
FP is a permanent heat source. However, it could be considered functionally obsolete...depending on the neighborhood.

If it has to be manually fueled and is not thermostatically controlled it is NOT a permanent heat source! The definition of that has nothing at all to do with being able to move the heat source around or not!

LOL
 
Duckboy, La Jolla will freeze over when hell freezes over. It just ain't gonna happen!

Webb... La Jolla is on the coast, about 20 miles north of Tiajuana. It seldom gets below 55 degrees.

You both missed why I am posting what I am. And it's not due to the O.P. Go to post number three and look at the location of the poster.

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There is no place in Oregon that never freezes... not that I've ever heard of... Even the southern Oregon coast gets cold weather, and all the rest of Oregon certainly does. Besides, in my post 21 I said a geographical area where pipes freeze.
 
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No way Jose'

All rooms have to have a "permanent" heat source that is thermostatically controlled in a geographical area where pipes freeze. Otherwise it doesn't comply with any of the GSEs requirements I know of.

That post appears to have been in response to the OP. The OP is not in Oregon.

Oh yeah...:angry:

:peace:
 
That post appears to have been in response to the OP. The OP is not in Oregon.

Oh yeah...:angry:

:peace:

In my market this is common, so I do consider them permenant.

Do NOT make me make this about reading comprehension! There was nothing in the O.P. to know what part of California was involved. Are you saying that no place in California, even northern CA, does it ever get below freezing? Or are you implying that an Oregon appraiser is driving to southern CA to get to "my market"?

TEMPERATURE – Few states have greater temperature extremes than Oregon where they have ranged from a low of 54° F below zero to a high of 119° F. Seldom, however, do daily extremes occur even closely approaching these absolute records. In 80 percent of recent years the highest temperature recorded in the State has not exceeded 114° F, nor was the absolute minimum lower than -37° F. In 50 percent of those years no temperature was recorded higher than 110° mark. Here the mean of the coldest month, January, is 45° F only 15° less than that of July, the warmest month. In the Willamette Valley few stations have had a maximum temperature greater than 98° F, or a minimum temperature lower than 16° F for over half of their years of record. Temperature of 90° F or more, occur only about six to eight days a year and those below zero occur on an average of once every 25 years. Here the mean temperatures average 38° F in January and 66° F in July. In the inland valleys of the southwest the average summer temperatures are about 5° F higher than in the northwest and maximums of 90° F or more occur 40 to 50 days a year. In south-central Oregon the median annual maximum temperatures over a period of years have been between 95° F and 100° F, varying, of course, with the different stations; in most other areas east of the Cascades this variance is between 100° and 105° F. Median annual minimum temperatures for eastern Oregon vary from near zero in the more protected areas of the Columbia Basin to -26° F in the high mountain and plateau regions. The minimum for majority of these stations, however, lies in the range of –1 to -10° F. The normal mean January temperature in southeast Oregon is 25° to 28° F and in the northeast 29° to 33° F; July normal means range between 65° and 70° F in the central valleys and plateau regions and 70° to 78° F along the eastern border.
 
I suppose since it IS Friday and I don't feel like working on what I have to work then I can waste a few moments to run this down.

Do NOT make me make this about reading comprehension!

Okay, then allow me.

There was nothing in the O.P. to know what part of California was involved.
Your first comment was entered below a quote made by the OP. So it stands to reason that your response was to him. Your response was made well after the OPs property location was confirmed and then reconfirmed when Calvin and I went back and forth. (It's even in bold, red, italicized type).
 
La Jolla temperatures never get below freezing and even if they occasionally did they have such a heavy smug cover than nothing would ever freeze.

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I hate that when you're trying to make a joke in this forum that you have to use an emoticon for people not to take you seriously.
 
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