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Let 'em "turn it over to the law department." Once you see where they're really coming from you can figure out how to proceed. Depending upon the difficulty of the appraisal, the fee could be quite high. Appraiser's typically charge hourly rates for these types of assignments, (in fact, I would be loath to hire one who didn't, because that would likely be an indication of lack of competence to perform this type of assignment). Expect to pay $150 per hour or more for the appraiser's time. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but I've never taken on an inverse condemnation case with fees that didn't total over $20,000 by the time we were through with the appraisal, and all other related fees. The appraisal fee itself may not be too high, (possibly under $10,000), but unless the utility company rolls over when they see it, and makes a reasonable offer, the ensuing battle could involve a great deal of time. Best of luck!
Thanks, I think you are correct to let him turn it over to the law department. It is not a lot of land; however, sewer easement with man hole and 5' meter I feel will devalue her property.


The term "Fee Simple Interest with right of way" would this be used in an appraisal? What exactly does it mean?

Appreciate your help.
BB
 
Zero? Yes, occasionally. I have also seen situations where the taking actually increased the value of the remainder. However, both of those situations are relatively rare.
 
Thanks, I think you are correct to let him turn it over to the law department. It is not a lot of land; however, sewer easement with man hole and 5' meter I feel will devalue her property.


The term "Fee Simple Interest with right of way" would this be used in an appraisal? What exactly does it mean?

Appreciate your help.
BB


I've never seen the words "Fee Simple Interest with right of way" put together quite that way before. For all intents and purposes, the fee simple interest is generally all of the property rights an owner would typically have. It doesn't necessarily have to mean the entire property - it could just be a portion of the whole, but it would generally mean a complete interest in that portion of the property.

There are three sets of what are referred to as vertical property rights, and each is pretty self-explanatory - ground rights, surface rights and air rights. Generally speaking, when you own property, with certain legal restrictions and limitations, you own the rights to use the ground beneath your property, the surface of that property, and the airspace above it. When a governmental, quasi-governmental or other entitled entity exercises their power of eminent domain, they are taking one or more of these sets of vertical property rights. Sometimes they take all three. If they take all three, they are seeking fee simple ownership of those rights; in other words, you will generally, (but not always), be losing all of your rights in that portion of the property. Such takings may, or may not affect the utility of the property. For example, if you lose access to a grandfathered, and irreplaceable rental unit, you would be giving up the benefit of that income stream in perpetuity, because it will no longer be a viable rental if there is no legal access. So, even if they do not take the unit itself, by taking away your access to it, you have still suffered an actual loss.

One other thing, if the entity is taking only one or two sets of the vertical property rights, the impact may be minimal. You can also come out in pretty good shape economically from such a partial taking because the individual vertical rights generally are each worth more than one third of the whole. In other words, it's not uncommon for say the ground rights to be worth forty to forty-five percent of the entire set of vertical rights as a whole. Oftentimes, with such ground rights takings, the fee simple owner will still retain (usually limited) surface and air rights that are adequate to continue to utilize the property as it has been in the past, while still getting paid pretty well for the ground rights alone. Good luck!
 
The eminent domain process typically starts with a visit to the property owner to explain exactly what is being planned on their property. This meeting can include a request for an easement with no compensation or in can include an offer with compensation.

It sounds like the city doesn't want to pay, but they probably will have to in the end.

The city or condemning agency will provide you with specific plans for what they are planning. They more than likely will have to have an appraiser complete an appraisal which they will provide to you with an offer of compensation. This is typically based on the appraised value of the property. You have the opportunity to accept the offer or hire your own appraiser to complete an appraisal. It's extremely important to hire a competent appraiser familiar with "Yellow Book" or eminent domain appraisals. Once your appraiser completes their appraisal you provide a copy of your appraisal to the city. Then you go to a hearing with a three judge panel who will take a look at all the facts, take testimony and make a decision on compensation.

Once that is done you need to visit with your attorney, the next step if you don't agree with the three judge panels decision, you go to state court.

Best of luck
 
I've never seen the words "Fee Simple Interest with right of way" put together quite that way before. For all intents and purposes, the fee simple interest is generally all of the property rights an owner would typically have. It doesn't necessarily have to mean the entire property - it could just be a portion of the whole, but it would generally mean a complete interest in that portion of the property.

There are three sets of what are referred to as vertical property rights, and each is pretty self-explanatory - ground rights, surface rights and air rights. Generally speaking, when you own property, with certain legal restrictions and limitations, you own the rights to use the ground beneath your property, the surface of that property, and the airspace above it. When a governmental, quasi-governmental or other entitled entity exercises their power of eminent domain, they are taking one or more of these sets of vertical property rights. Sometimes they take all three. If they take all three, they are seeking fee simple ownership of those rights; in other words, you will generally, (but not always), be losing all of your rights in that portion of the property. Such takings may, or may not affect the utility of the property. For example, if you lose access to a grandfathered, and irreplaceable rental unit, you would be giving up the benefit of that income stream in perpetuity, because it will no longer be a viable rental if there is no legal access. So, even if they do not take the unit itself, by taking away your access to it, you have still suffered an actual loss.

One other thing, if the entity is taking only one or two sets of the vertical property rights, the impact may be minimal. You can also come out in pretty good shape economically from such a partial taking because the individual vertical rights generally are each worth more than one third of the whole. In other words, it's not uncommon for say the ground rights to be worth forty to forty-five percent of the entire set of vertical rights as a whole. Oftentimes, with such ground rights takings, the fee simple owner will still retain (usually limited) surface and air rights that are adequate to continue to utilize the property as it has been in the past, while still getting paid pretty well for the ground rights alone. Good luck!
Thank you for this detailed explanation and valuable information. This is making more sense to me.

I did get a note back from the rep yesterday and he said that since the creek is on Federal Government regulated creek buffer zone, her property is worth nothing. Is this a correct statement?

Don't want my elderly Mom to be out her live savings fighting for no reason.

I really appreciate all the help you have been.

BB
 
Zero? Yes, occasionally. I have also seen situations where the taking actually increased the value of the remainder. However, both of those situations are relatively rare.
Thanks for your input.
 
I did get a note back from the rep yesterday and he said that since the creek is on Federal Government regulated creek buffer zone, her property is worth nothing. Is this a correct statement?


I'm sorry, but I can't answer that question. I'm not familiar with the area or the property, and in reality, you will need a competent appraiser, who is familiar with the area, in order to get that sort of an answer. I would, however, consider the rep's statement to be dubious, at best, as they have not appraised the property, and, they have their employer's best interest in mind, not your mother's. Again, best of luck to you and your mom.
 
I'm sorry, but I can't answer that question. I'm not familiar with the area or the property, and in reality, you will need a competent appraiser, who is familiar with the area, in order to get that sort of an answer. I would, however, consider the rep's statement to be dubious, at best, as they have not appraised the property, and, they have their employer's best interest in mind, not your mother's. Again, best of luck to you and your mom.
Yes, I agree that we need an appraisal. Also agree that the rep is not working for us.

Thank you so much for taking your time to help direct me.

BB
 
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