• Welcome to AppraisersForum.com, the premier online  community for the discussion of real estate appraisal. Register a free account to be able to post and unlock additional forums and features.

Certified General Exam Failure

Status
Not open for further replies.
"- I'm thinking about taking the Residential exam just to be able to do "something" while I wait to study enough for the GA exam."

The General is just more math and two hours longer - study the math and go for it :-)
 
I'll offer my advice regarding the new CG exam. I originally became certified in 1995 and I sat for the exam on a Saturday morning at a local community college on a bright sunny day along with about 25 other people taking various exams for insurance and real estate. The exam was a breeze. I think I was in there less than 1 hour total and passed.

Fast forward to 2010 and I sat in a small room with two pieces of scratch paper, my calculator and a computer camera that took my picture every so often to make sure I was the one taking the exam and surveillance cameras at my back in this little closet for a little over 7 hours. I could use the bathroom, and I was able to leave for lunch for 30 minutes. I sat in my car and ate a sandwich and studied.

The test is hard. Probably the most difficult exam I have ever taken, and I test well. The material is the same material from the classes and books yada yada, BUT the way in which the questions are worded lends confusion to answer selection. For folks reading this who have never taken the exam will say "come on its just a test of stuff you work with every day." Let me just say this, the exam is written either so brilliantly, or so poorly, or you are in there so long, that after you leave it is hard to even remember any of the specific questions you just answered. In fact, I failed the first time by 2 points and when I started to study again I had no idea how to study effectively for the retake later the same day! The questions are tricky and the concepts within the questions are comingled and will confuse you.

Now the good stuff. The test is broken down into percentages. You do not have to be a math guru and you don't have to be a USPAP guru. The math portion is only listed at 15% of the exam so if you totally blow math you can still pass. Learnappraising=no, Compucram=no, Henry Harrison General exam book=no. read USPAP cover to cover even the advisory opinions. Read the most recent "Appraisal of Real Estate"

In closing, DO NOT get hung up on any particular area of study including math. Read and understand the concepts in your texts. The test is not about the definition of external depreciation, it is about how to correctly identify and apply it in a situation. That is probably the best explanation of what you will face. Incidently, when you pass or fail you get a sheet that identifies how you did in each segment. Comparing my two tests, I did better the second time in some areas and worse in others. And both times when I stood in front of the proctor waiting for my score I had no idea if I passed and my brain was mush. It is that difficult.

The exam is hard and upon successful completion you will feel like you actually accomplished something meaningful and valuable however, you will not think back fondly of that day....LOL.

Good Luck!
 
Last edited:
Thanks so much for your post - it's very helpful. I failed yesterday, after using learnappraisal. Couple quick questions:
- Will the AI student workbook be all I need, or do I need to buy/read the whole 13th edition?
- I'm thinking about taking the Residential exam just to be able to do "something" while I wait to study enough for the GA exam. I've done underwrition for a major financial institution, but even that didn't help.

Thanks in advance - Rob

Rob, I went cover-to-cover in the handbook for my first phase of study. It reopened my eyes to all of the material I had previously seen, but it was all in one place. I went to my nearest public library branch and got a private study room. Doing this took probably 3 sessions of 2-3 hours each. I put stickys on terms or concepts I felt that I might need to revisit. Then I went through each of my AI course textbooks one at a time with the solutions book right there so I could double check whether I was undertaking the problems appropriately. This reinforcement was crucial. I took 2-3 days of 2-3 hours on each course. At the end of it all I scheduled the exam for a Monday and went over all of the stickys on Saturday and Sunday until I was thoroughly comfortable doing the problems. All of this I did at the library. I think it is important to actually work many problems out rather than saying to yourself "I get it", because "getting" the concepts is not nearly enough for this test. This is a test of test problem solving, not being an appraiser. So you have to practice the problems. In the end, the area I was most uncertain about was cost approach problems. Whether to use current cost new, cost to replace or retrofit, etc., given different situations, breakdown method, etc. It is one area that I have never gotten comfortable with enough to be confident. Fortunately, there was only one or two of these on the test that were so deep as to trip me up (I think).

There are enough problems between the course texts and the handbook to get you ready.

One area I could have studied more in was USPAP. USPAP is tough to study because of the way it is written-it is not a textbook. It is like studying a zoning ordinance. It is drafted to be a reference text, not a study resource. The questions they conjured out of USPAP seemed like they came from the most obscure corners of the document. Nevertheless, it is all fair game, so any extra time you can spend on this is valuable. Remember, each question counts the same, whether is:

a.) calculating an equity yield rate based on a full page of raw data including every conceivable segmented square footage of an office building, year 0 (or was it year 1-wording is ambiguous) income, some ambiguous statements about expense sharing, raw mortgage information, info about income and expense growth, extraordinary expenditures in coming years, etc., etc. etc.

or

b.) whether or not each person who contributed on a report must sign the cover letter, certificatin, or both,

or

c.) whether and how long each person working on a report must keep the work file, or was it a copy of the workfile, or just an electronic copy, or is it just access to a copy, or is access to an electronic copy sufficient?

or

d.) identifying some laughably basic building component

*disclaimer*-non of these are ACTUAL test questions, but are representative of the range of question types whose presence on the exam are common knowledge*

I would make sure that I was getting the gimmes and USPAP questions right, so that any complicated income problem or cash equivalency problem-I think those are considered Sales Comparison Problems, actually-that I missed wasn't on top of the "easier" stuff.

As for the problems being like the work someone does every day, I suppose it is possible for someone somewhere, but not remotely like what I or any appraisers I have ever known do on a regular basis.

Finally, I think the 13th edition is something most people on this forum would tell you that you need to have on your bookshelf as a matter of professional practice, although not for test prep. It is the one accepted resource that anybody critiquing your work will go to for substantiation, and the one that you should go to for verification. However, it would not be a very efficient resource for test prep, in my opinion.

Good Luck!
 
GVS,
It is refreshing to hear from someone who took both the "old" and "new" exams. I have had a running debate with my mentor about just how different the two exams are. He was laughing at all of my test prep and how anxious I was prior to the big day.

I, too, considered myself someone who tested well. 1350 on the SAT (25 years ago-when that was a top 10% score), always blew away standardized stuff. I took my passing grade on this and thankfully went home.

I just took (and passed, I think) the AI's Advanced Income Capitalization course. It is some pretty thorough stuff. However, given the depth and breadth of the subject matter, the exam for this course was much more "fair" I thought than the CG exam or the qualifying education course exams.

While all of this is fresh in my mind, I am going to press forward to complete my remaining class and sit for the comp exam. Knowing that the MAI comp exam is harder still than the CG exam, I will study the same way, this time including the upper level courses. I will probably also take a prep course from John Urubek.

I would love to hear from someone who has taken the "new" test and a recent comp exam to see how they would compare the two. I'm almost afraid to ask.
 
A lot of good information. I went ahead and bought Compucram, it is set up way better than learnappraising, but still isn't a "great" prep for what I saw on the exam. I am currently studying compucram and going through Cost, Sales and Income in detail and will go through the others as a refresher. USAP, I have the 2012-2013 book and will review that wonderful peace of easy reading.

I'm glad to hear that others are having issues and problems with this test. Don't get me wrong, sad to hear of the troubles, but I feel better that I am not alone and I am not in fact an idiot.

My studying hasn't been going quite as planned, even though I have ample time due to being fired for failing the exam. My former employer has a no fail policy for AI courses and evidently the state exam. That was on 8/3, went on vacation the next week (already scheduled/paid for/no refund), and getting the kids all back to school last week plus getting my affairs in order due to termination. Sat down this morning for the first time to really study. Not easy to come back to studying after failing this test. You, or at least I do, question all techniques I use and do and will second guess myself.
 
Well, I took the test 2 weeks ago and PASSED.woohoo I shared with another member through PM about what I did, it said this:

The key for me was to study my Appraisal Institute exam questions of my classes. I also used Compucram this time for some study. I took the exams on Compucram, identified my weak areas, I also had the advantage of seeing where my weak area were from my failure, and going to my AI books to study those weak areas. I also brought in some food to eat on a bathroom break! Being unemployed though, I did have time to study. I focused a lot of my AI study on Cost, Sales and Income Approach, the Compucram kept me up to speed on the general information and USPAP. You need the study time, the repetition, and the ability to do multiple calculations to get to the answer. If you learned the IRV and BLT/MET chart in your AI course, that is a beneficial technique. A few Cash Flow calculations and of course time value of money calculations.

I forgot to post on here, due to trying to find a job. I had 2 interviews and received 2 offers, one with a fee appraisal company and one for our county government commercial assessors office. I chose the fee appraisal company and start work Monday!

It is funny that failing the test help me organize my study so that I could study more efficiently the 300 hours/5 years worth of study materials.
 
If at first you don't pass, then try again.

Cash equivalency - Owner financing compared to market financing and the adjustments for them
Yield Rates, equity dividends
Financial feasibility of a project



I used to be a teacher, and here is my advice.

The really good news is, you know what you need to work on.

Make some flashcards with a problem on the front, and the *solution* to the problem (not the answer) on the back, focusing on cash equivalency, yield rates, equity dividends, and financial feasibility. Ie., you are memorizing the solution to the problem, not the answer to a quesiton. The solution should have the calculator key strokes to solve so you know backwards and forwards how to set up and solve these kinds of questions on your own. Use them *in addition* to a good review course, so you keep everything fresh.

The great thing about flashcards is, they are portable. So you carry them with you and try to get in an extra hour or so per day, 15 minutes here and another there does add up-and my suggestion is to review them at night, as the very last thing you do before you go to sleep. I have found in my own experience, that things I've read or studied before falling asleep really 'stick' in my brain. So I save that time for areas where I need extra work or review. Sounds weird, but apparently I'm not the only one who has had this experience:

http://dailyemerald.com/2012/04/02/studying-before-sleeping-beneficial-for-recall/

Above all-stay focused and don't let any negative thoughts or doubts creep in. You can do this.
 
And there you go!

Now I see that you did indeed pass the second time around. Well done, young Jedi.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Find a Real Estate Appraiser - Enter Zip Code

Copyright © 2000-, AppraisersForum.com, All Rights Reserved
AppraisersForum.com is proudly hosted by the folks at
AppraiserSites.com
Back
Top