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Economic obsolescence

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I don't know what that means.

The cost approach is the only approach that is applicable to any improved property or personal property. This is not bull crap.


So it's therefore impossible to estimate them separately or per your theory if external obsolescence is present then all three subsets are present!


Economic obsolesence is always external obsolesence. Not all external obsolesence is economic obsolesence. External obsolesence is always incurable. But economic obsolesence can be temporary.

Even when it's not applicable?
The CA is always applicable (for an improved property) so it's your question that is not applicable.


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I don't know what that means.

The cost approach is the only approach that is applicable to any improved property or personal property. This is not bull crap.


So it's therefore impossible to estimate them separately or per your theory if external obsolescence is present then all three subsets are present!


Economic obsolesence is always external obsolesence. Not all external obsolesence is economic obsolesence. External obsolesence is always incurable. But economic obsolesence can be temporary. External obsolescence consists of all three and if there is environmental it affects the value and thus it has an economical effect on the value-no? If external obsolescence is always incurable and economic obsolescence is always external obsolescence, then according to you economic obsolescence is also incurable

Even when it's not applicable?
The CA is always applicable (for an improved property) so it's your question that is not applicable. Thousands of appraisals being done say the CA is not applicable.


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We could argue forever about applicable
Can never argued that it was "necessary".
Standard 1 makes prominent use of the word "when" with regard to the necessity of the cost approach
It also does the same for the sales and income approach.

Doing a cost approach without subtracting for the depreciation, is not a credible cost approach. Leaving off the external obsolescences does give you a notion of the spread that represents "external" obsolescences (which included economic, locational, and environmental influences) As a practical matter it is very difficult to segregate all three, but in new construction, the more likely aspect would be economic.

Economic obsolescence is also problematic in that when a house in an inappropriate market is built which is either way too small or way too big to conform to the market, you are left asking yourself, Is it an EXTERNAL ECONOMIC negative related to the neighborhood? Or is is a FUNCTIONAL obsolescence for being excessive in size, etc. in comparision to its market. That is a pretty vague distinction but I tend to say if the house was situated in a community of new similar homes are there things that are superadequate (too much tile, gold plated fixtures, exotic sound system, etc.) or inadequate (too small closets in bedrooms as an example)?

In any case a proper cost approach deducts for all forms of obsolescence, includes economic (a form of external) obsolescence. You derive that obsolescence as best possible from market evidence from homes similarly impacted. Not always an easy task, but always a necessary task or you are screwing it up.
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Fine - I already made the "applicable analogy", so in most cases the CA is about as necessary as designer jeans on my neighbor's Boston Terrier. USPAP has that caveat about all three approaches but do we really want to move the argument over to which approach is actually necessary for the overwhelming majority of market value assignments, the cost approach or the sales comparison approach?

I have a lot of respect for the CA and for people that display depth with regard to its application. It is just not necessary for most assignments and in fact becomes an unnecessary liability for appraisers far more often than it serves any useful purpose.
 
...... It is just not necessary for most assignments and in fact becomes an unnecessary liability for appraisers far more often than it serves any useful purpose.

It is not a liability if it is done correctly. The problem is it is very often not done correctly. Most of the time in the reports I review there are two approaches to the cost approach.

Method 1 is the appraiser backing into the approach by adjusting physical until it matches the SCA. This is obviously incorrect but very common.

Method 2 is the appraiser having say $240,000 in the SCA and the appraiser having $300,000 in the cost approach. This is producing a report that is misleading which is a violation of USPAP no matter how one argues it.

In this current market ALL residential appraisers (ok, not all, but ALL who live in an area where Cost doesn't equal Value) should know how to do a proper cost approach otherwise they should turn down all assignments for new construction because only a fool would argue that the cost approach is not applicable for new construction.

The cost approach is not a hard thing to grasp should one have a good mentor or take a class on the subject. The problem is that it is time consuming to collect and analyze the data.

If one is going to do this job then they should know how to apply all the tools. This would include a competent cost approach and income approach (which is another topic).

I have not read a residential report in a few years that did a proper cost approach which is sad.
 
Your observations are probably not going to change unless the CA is elevated in stature with regard to assignments where it actually is necessary rather than given perfunctory inclusion on all assignments. A proper cost approach would probably take at least as much effort and time as that which is necessary to complete the remainder of the URAR (excluding the income approach).

When necessary for credible results, such as is the case with new construction, it should be directed at those who really are competent to complete it and they should be appropriately compensated. Until that happens what you've been seeing is what you will be getting. It needs to be removed from the form and given a separate add on format - that would be a good place to start the transition that needs to happen.
 
I have to agree with Mich... The usual complaints come from California and Florida. The argument in another thread about the actual site value and how that simple sales comparison of vacant lots fails to take into account the land residual values...well, it is very relevant to those areas and makes the CA more difficult.

There is a great article in the Appraisal Journal. I've referenced it before. It is an understanding between the relationship of SA, CA, and IA that is about "time-space relationship between price, cost, and value.

Face it. The SA is a HISTORIC look at past sales. The Income A is a FUTURE look of anticipation of future benefits and the CA is the one approach that is here now TODAY.

Without the COST of construction plus the cost of the land, then the SA has no link with the real world. If you don't know the value of your LAND, how do you know what to adjust differences in site value? Simple paired sales ?? But against what metric? How do you know it is reasonable? Likewise, if you don't know the cost of construction how can you vet the quality...And, the prudent buyer checks to see that they can buy cheaper than they can build or they would build.

But in the end, the most ignored approach is the INCOME approach. Why did a lot of people walk from their McMansions as "strategic" defaults? For one they anticipated a profit from a future sale which did not transpire. Secondly, they cannot service the mortgage with the income potential - that is to say the income won't pay the mortgage. They sought cheaper places to live. Even presuming that a future rebound would make them whole again, they realized that in such an expensive home, the cost of credit in the mean time would eat them up far worse than a house half that price.

There is a reason for 3 approaches. It is an integrated approach to valuation that provides an internal check of reasonableness. Yes, one of those three methods may be the "best" way to value it. But when making a decision about investing in a rental multifamily, do you ignore cost and simply buy what the market says its worth? A lot of people did and lost their hienies. Our duplex market to the best of my knowledge is 90-100% REO property. And owners who did sell out tended to not do maintenance and updates that they normally would have expected to do. I can think of 2 small apartment complexes that sold recently. Both were quite shabby and sold cheap, both under pressure from the bank. They were servicing expensive loans but refinancing wasn't possible because they owed more than the LTV the bank is now willing to take on. And ultimately, it is the income from those rentals that dictate the price. Buyers are now only interested if the property will cash flow readily with a high discount for above average vacancy and rent loss. Likewise, new apartments can draw a lot of folks from shabby apartments because the cost is now competitive. How can that be? Easy. A new apartment with energy efficiencies and current construction costs and low land cost investment is very competitive. The renter will likely save money on utilities and have a new apartment to boot. And the old apartment with higher turnover has higher maintenance costs and cannot lower rent prices because of their unusually high cost of capital (from 7-8% interest loans from 10 years ago that they cannot now refinance.)

As for the Cost Approach taking a lot of time. It doesn't necessarily. Even using an assemblies method, I spend no more time on it than the sales approach. I gather land sales, use NBC cost book CD and compare that with the sale price of new houses or builder's estimates. A quick grid of the land sales is generally created. A copy of the NBC printout is pasted into the report.

For the income approach I see a lot of malarky about "predominately owner-occupied" blah blah blah. In reality, if you check census surveys you often find that 30% or more homes are rented. There is sufficient rentals to estimate the actual rents. And there is often numerous sales to estimate the GRM. GRM is a simple method but not inaccurate if done right. I have known a many a landlord who set rents at 1% of the cost of a house. $40,000 = $400 a month. My CPA uses a simple sinking fund method that is similar to vet investment houses. 9 years (108 months...) to payout. If it won't pay out by then, then he doesn't want it.

When is the last income app you've seen on a house that wasn't actually rented? Why? The approach works.
 
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External or economic obsolescence is not hard to calculate if you do a proper cost approach and site value. There are actual situations in this market where certain neighbohoods are dominated by REO properties. In some tract home neighborhoods there are only two kinds of sales, new home sales and REO sales. You have a perfect example of cost versus external obsolescence.
 
Then the residual goes to the land regardless what someone supposedly "paid" for it... .

... There is a great article in the Appraisal Journal. I've referenced it before. It is an understanding between the relationship of SA, CA, and IA that is about "time-space relationship between price, cost, and value....

Wow, that is an incredible piece of writing! Thanks very much for steering me to that. I'd encourage every appraiser here to read (and comprehend) his concepts line by line, word by word.

Quite a while ago we had a long discussion about external obsolescence as it relates to the Cost Approach on the URAR. I still stand by my opinion that the form is not fully thought out and that there is occasion when an amount for external obsolescence is appropriate on the form. (I think Özdilek, the author of the article, would probably agree.)

My reasoning is that external obsolescence is a comparative measure that only exists when explaining the difference between values at different times or in different locations. The URAR Cost Approach is "static" and describes the value of a single property at a precise point in time, not over a time interval. At a static point in time, any external obsolescence will be entirely incorporated into the lot value, with no remaining external obsolescence left to be deducted from the cost of the improvements.

Think it through. Take a typical site and another that is less desirable because of traffic noise. They obviously have different market values. What would ever be the justification for using the same lot value for both sites in the Cost Approach of each appraisal? And, when using the value of the sites as if vacant, what would be the justification for attributing any portion of the difference in site values to the improvements?

Same for economic obsolescence over time. In terms of the site value at the exact moment of the appraisal, what possible relevance does a changing market have? Change doesn't exist at one point in time, it's only perceivable when comparing historic prices or future values.

That said, external obsolescence is a crucial factor when explaining price or value differences between different properties or over time. (But as the article alludes to, not when explaining cost, which occurs at a single point in time.)

The biggest mistake I see with the Cost Approach is when appraisers imply an unrealistic degree of precision. (Yeah, that again.) It's not uncommon to see costs calculated to the penny in areas that have normal cost variances that can be 40-50% or higher. But, even in areas where costs vary significantly, there are limited land sales, and where few buyers even consider building as an option, the Cost Approach is a valuable test of an appraisal's reasonableness.

Same with the Income Approach. Even in areas where few property's are held as investments, a comparison between the buyer's option to either purchase or rent can be a real eye-opener. I've always wondered if consistent and appropriate use of the Cost Approach might have headed off the real estate bubble.
 
External or economic obsolescence is not hard to calculate if you do a proper cost approach and site value. There are actual situations in this market where certain neighbohoods are dominated by REO properties. In some tract home neighborhoods there are only two kinds of sales, new home sales and REO sales. You have a perfect example of cost versus external obsolescence.

Good point Tex assuming an accurate estimation of physical which may or may not be that easy to accurately calculate, but good point.

Lots of good posts lately. Terrell has some good points as well as others. Now we are learning.
 
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