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The Appraiser Shortage Myth Part 43

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It's not a matter of common sense. The AMC's understand very well why there is a "shortage" (in the areas that applies to or regarding new entrants)

The AMC's do not want to admit that the issue is due to low fees because that would mean the logical solution would be to restore higher fees to appraisers, which would adversely affect their business model. The low paying AMC's and the lenders who own stock in them or affiliate with them would rather decimate the appraisal profession than do that. Public trust or retaining competent, experienced appraisers on the residential lending side is not on their priority list, their priority is to maximize profits .
 
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It's not a matter of common sense. The AMC's understand very well why there is a "shortage" (in the areas that applies to or regarding new entrants)

The AMC's do not want to admit that the issue is due to low fees because that would mean the logical solution would be to restore higher fees to appraisers, which would adversely affect their business model. The low paying AMC's and the lenders who own stock in them or affiliate with them would rather decimate the appraisal profession than do that. Public trust or retaining competent, experienced appraisers on the residential lending side is not on their priority list, their priority is to maximize profits .
That might make sense except for one small detail - the areas with shortage have the highest fees in the country. Fees with four digits (fees to the appraiser) are common in those areas. We pay them every day.
 
That might make sense except for one small detail - the areas with shortage have the highest fees in the country. Fees with four digits (fees to the appraiser) are common in those areas. We pay them every day.

The fact that these are the ONLY 3 known states with this shortage and highest fees in the country tells the story of why the rest of the appraisers across the nation ares suffering and leaving the profession or not training.

What about the other 45 states, where the greater population of appraiser work? In any of those states, wherever they can, the AMC's pay the LOWEST fees, very low fees, fees below C and R as defined standards, and fees below 20 years ago in some cases. This makes appraising simply not feasible anymore for most appraisers on the res side, unless they/we have enough full fee direct order work, and that work is under threat by AMC's who poach clients or whose lender parent buys out smaller lenders or credit unions.
 
That might make sense except for one small detail - the areas with shortage have the highest fees in the country. Fees with four digits (fees to the appraiser) are common in those areas. We pay them every day.
Actually..that one small detail (you keep capitalizing on - COW state shortages) makes perfect sense. - to pay higher fees for services that are in higher demand. Four digits if need be to get the job done. You should have no problem understanding business 101. That your company may lose its' profit margins by having to pay the premium - that doing so is not desirable or profitable for you - is not the appraisers concern.
 
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I see residential appraisals completed in upper-to-high end markets on a regular basis. The fees range from sub-$500 to $1,500+. The turn-times range from 3-days to 3-weeks. The client does not have a set fee or set turn-time. They ask for the appraisers to bid. The appraisers have all been qualified to be on the panel. This is direct engagement.

It is the appraiser who is setting the fees and turn times. Those who bid low want or need the work; those who bid high don't want or need the work. Low bid does not always get the assignment but turn-time can be a consideration. For especially complex or atypical assignments, those who have shown the ability to do that work are the ones that those bids are sent out to; usually, they bid higher and take longer but there is still a wide range in fees/turn-times.
For a fact, if one had no other work, one could do many of these in 3-days (they are all qualified and competent appraisers).

I work in an over-supplied market (high supply of appraisers relative to the demand for mortgage appraisal services). The In my example, fee/turn-time dynamic I see above has nothing to do with AMCs. :shrug:

The clients I work for do not have open panels; the number of appraisers is relatively constant. The supply-demand dynamic works within a direct-lender, smaller fee panel dynamic. Why is it not surprising that in a larger pool of appraisers, that dynamic exerts even more downward pressure on fees and turn time?

It isn't the client who is setting the fees and turn times (except for VA). It is the competitive dynamic of the appraisers. In COW states, the supply of appraisers is low relative to the demand. Everywhere else, the supply is either in balance or appraiser-supply heavy relative to the demand.

Like it or not, without recognizing the fundamental components of what sets the appraisal fee (a willing appraiser who accepts the job at that price), any attempt to increase the fee is flawed. Flawed because no one other than appraisers will buy off on the concept that fees have to be higher to sustain our profession. They won't buy off on it because there are plenty of willing appraisers to take those lower fees. If all states were COW states, then fees would be higher. Not because anyone recognizes how important the appraiser role is and that the appraisers, therefore, should be paid more. But because of the same dynamic: supply and demand (not enough appraisers relative to the demand for mortgage appraisals).


If I send out a bid to 10 appraisers, and 5 bid between $250 to $300, and the rest are at $400+/-, and the price at $300 meets the minimum standards, how is it that I (as the purchaser of the service sent out to bid), by awarding the assignment to the lower-end of the bid-range, am controlling the fees?
That was a rhetorical question (so no need to answer): because the answer is, "I'm not setting the fees. I have 5 appraisers who are willing to take the work at a price less than the other 5; it is those 5 appraisers who are setting the fees."

It really is that simple... whether we like it or not. :shrug:

I am convinced of the following: Most appraisers (including the ones on the Forum) do understand that if appraisers stopped taking lower fees, than fees would rise. But, they are frustrated because of the inability to motivate enough appraisers to bid higher. So, while they understand the reason for the low-fee dynamic they are feel powerless to do anything about it other than trying to create a regulatory framework that would increase the fees regardless of the underlying supply/demand dynamic.

I don't think a regulatory framework to increase fees is in the cards (though a lot of others do... and are hanging their hats on it happening). If I'm correct (i.e., it ain't going to happen by regulation) then the frustration levels for some will only grow. An unhealthy condition and not conducive to professional and personal satisfaction.
 
denis you are a commie pink-o AMC supporter and should be taken out and shot! hell, we won't even wait for dawn, get it done now!

there, i got that out of the way for the morons who think that anyone who "defends" AMCs and fee logistics is a turncoat. don't you know that appraisers should be paid whatever they think they are worth without question?
 
denis you are a commie pink-o...

:rof:

Those were fighting words when I was growing up! ;)

Funny story (now.. not then..!): When I was in Marine Boot Camp, I had a friend whose older brother was a Marine. He told my friend that if he wanted to have some fun, to write me a letter while I was in Boot Camp and under my name ("Pvt. DeSaix, DA) put "A Commie Sympathizer".
During mail call, we all sat around in a semi-circle (90 of us). The DI's would read the envelope, call out your name; you'd raise your hand and then they'd fling the letter as far away as they could from you; if you had more than one letter, they'd fling'em in opposite directions so you had to get up and run, get them, and run back to your sitting position.
So here comes my letter with the Commie Sympathizer notation. I think I ended up running in place for at least 20-minutes. Ever since then, whenever they'd yell for me, they'd say, "Get your ^%$)*# over here, you commie sympathizer!"

Fun times. :cool:
 
Flawed because no one other than appraisers will buy off on the concept that fees have to be higher to sustain our profession.

"Reality" is buying off on it since the profession is experiencing shortages in at least some areas/ with very few entering. Of course the profession is not sustainable at low fees, therefore it is dying. The only ones left to do the mass of res lending work will be chop shops churn them out model appraisers, and their fast food mentality toward the work and the exodus from res lending for too much of the work is contrary to protecting the public trust. Protecting the public trust matters to too few to make a difference. .

They won't buy off on it because there are plenty of willing appraisers to take those lower fees. If all states were COW states, then fees would be higher. Not because anyone recognizes how important the appraiser role is and that the appraisers, therefore, should be paid more. But because of the same dynamic: supply and demand (not enough appraisers relative to the demand for mortgage appraisals).

That is the dilemma. For attrition to reach such a critical point, that the only way for higher fees to take hold is such a degree of attrition that it leads to a severe shortage such as the COW states have, as you said yourself, is unhealthy. I could write more on that but pressed for time.

If I send out a bid to 10 appraisers, and 5 bid between $250 to $300, and the rest are at $400+/-, and the price at $300 meets the minimum standards, how is it that I (as the purchaser of the service sent out to bid), by awarding the assignment to the lower-end of the bid-range, am controlling the fees?

Ask yourself why it has it come to this, since the consumer is paying an average of $500 and above for the appraisal on average, even if it is assigned to the appraiser at $250 or $300?

Lenders did not bid out appraisers for fees prior to AMC takeover of vast volume post 2011, as long as the appraiser fee was within borrower paid amount. Today, the good lenders ordering direct STILL don't care about bidding to lowest and assign at a A C and R fee of $400-$500 (or more depending on area.

The ONLY reason this low bid system exists is to enrich AMC middlemen. Do you really believe that is a good basis to run the appraisal of taxpayer backed collateral? OF course the client is controlling the fees- if client bids out each order but each time awards it to the lowest tier bids of $240-$250, they control the fees by who they select.

That was a rhetorical question (so no need to answer): because the answer is, "I'm not setting the fees. I have 5 appraisers who are willing to take the work at a price less than the other 5; it is those 5 appraisers who are setting the fees."

if client bids out each order but each time awards it to the lowest tier bids of $240-$250, the client just set the fees by the way they assign work, effectively. There were 20 other appraisers willing to take the work at $350 or above.
 
if client bids out each order but each time awards it to the lowest tier bids of $240-$250, the client just set the fees by the way they assign work, effectively. There were 20 other appraisers willing to take the work at $350 or above.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. :)
 
That was a rhetorical question (so no need to answer): because the answer is, "I'm not setting the fees. I have 5 appraisers who are willing to take the work at a price less than the other 5; it is those 5 appraisers who are setting the fees."

if client bids out each order but each time awards it to the lowest tier bids of $240-$250, the client just set the fees by the way they assign work, effectively. There were 20 other appraisers willing to take the work at $350 or above.

But, let me ask you a sincere question:
A job is sent out to 20 appraisers. 5 are under $300. 5 are at $300 to $325. 10 are above $400. Assume they are are similarly qualified.
If the lender awards the job at $300, is that "picking the low fee"?
 
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