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The Appraiser Shortage Myth Part 43

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Uhm...while I normally agree with you or at the very least see where you are coming from, this post is off the chain. Really? The simple solution is to have banking regulators perform an audit? That statement comes straight out of Fantasy Island Denis, it aint ever gonna happen. I have read many posts of yours and I cant believe I am even going to say this, but you are being naïve.

Your not the only one who says that. ;)
BTW, have you ever gone to a presentation where the regulators (the banking auditors) talk about appraisals?
 
Jgrant has hijacked this into her normal tirades that have been stated over and over again.

I want to know why the supposed shortage isn't being cured with the hiring of trainees in those COW states and other states where fees are decent and especially if they are hiring their kids to become appraisers. And my other question is if they aren't, why not?

Part of the quoted is the answer in my opinion. Appraisers don't like working for AMCs and the AMCs are denying that their actions have lead and will lead to further "shortages".

I thought the 48-hour turn time died years ago. Don't the AMCs who still require this realize that reduced turn times reduce appraiser income?

Yes, your thread has gone off the tracks slightly, but I've seen worse!!! I believe there is not a shortage of appraisers - that's an educated guess and I could be wrong. In any event, I do know that trainees used to part of the business model and now they are not. Common sense says this will lead to a shortage eventually. I think the 4-year requirement was a bad idea and if a shortage ever truly occurs, appraisal users who advocated for higher entry requirements will wish they hadn't. I think a shortage will result in higher fees and would welcome that scenario (without mercy MF's). If that happens, I will enjoy the 4-6 years it will take to repopulate the industry. I think the reasons no trainees are coming in are multiple. 1) clients stopped allowing trainees to inspect subjects and take comp photos 2) lower fees with increased costs removed the margins that formerly supported a trainee 3) increased entry requirements in a profession that is on the down-stroke - strike three your out.
 
(my bold)

You forgot to include "shill", no?

I didn't say that, someone else did. Edit #82 please

LOL. I have never used the word shill in my life (until this very moment)
 
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Jgrant has hijacked this into her normal tirades that have been stated over and over again.

I want to know why the supposed shortage isn't being cured with the hiring of trainees in those COW states and other states where fees are decent and especially if they are hiring their kids to become appraisers. And my other question is if they aren't, why not?

Part of the quoted is the answer in my opinion. Appraisers don't like working for AMCs and the AMCs are denying that their actions have lead and will lead to further "shortages".

I thought the 48-hour turn time died years ago. Don't the AMCs who still require this realize that reduced turn times reduce appraiser income?

Give it a rest about me personally...48 hour turn time is prevalent in the business. You think AMC's care if 48 hour turn time reduces appraiser income? (or sanity lol)

Why aren't appraisers in the COW states hiring trainees... they realize if they hire trainees it will result in an increased supply of appraisers, and AMC's will revert to the fee pressure down tactics they use elsewhere. . Couple that with the fact due to interest rate/ economic sensitivity, lending work volume is subject to down cycles- the busy times and accompanying higher fees wont' last forever. ( plus added threat of a portion of work going to alternate valuation products)
 
Your not the only one who says that. ;)
BTW, have you ever gone to a presentation where the regulators (the banking auditors) talk about appraisals?

Well...uhm...no. LOL. Have you? Do tell. Do they talk about appraisals and impose sanctions or just talk about them and then impose a beer at the bar?
 
have you ever gone to a presentation where the regulators (the banking auditors) talk about appraisals?
Nope, but I have taken classes by someone who teaches appraisal to IRS, FDIC,CFPB, et al examiners. And the class was about those rules.
 
(my bold)

For the record, I don't defend any fee-point model (high or low). I'm fine with appraisers setting their own fees, like I do.

My entire position is simple. And I've said it many times.
I've bolded your "low fee model" because you consistently equate low fee with low quality; therefore, a low-fee appraiser must be inferior to a higher (full, fair, etc.) fee appraiser.
Just as George Hatch makes the argument, "Show me where a college degree equates to a quality appraiser" I can make the same argument, "Show me where a low fee equates to a low-quality appraisal." I'm confident that I can show you (if I didn't have confidentiality to worry about) that the correlation between fee and quality is not as strong as you may think. I've seen some low-fee appraisals that were stellar; I've seen high-fee appraisals that were trash.

You want a higher fee and more reasonable turn-time? Then all one has to do is to have the banking regulators audit the lenders for appraisal quality. I guarantee you if the lenders were audited for appraisal quality and they were found wanting, they would take immediate to improve that. Immediate steps. And, if it turned out that the reason the quality was deficient was because they were paying low-bid appraisers who couldn't do a quality job, those low-bid appraisers would not be engaged. And if, as a result, those who could produce the required appraisal reports to the minimum quality standards cost more and took longer, then the lenders would pay more and wait longer.
They do that now in the COW states due to supply and demand; and borrowers are still borrowing, right? So the mortgage process isn't as fee sensitive when low fees are not an alternative.
Quality enforcement is a restraint on supply. If you cannot meet the standard, you don't get the work. If so many of these low fees appraisers are actually doing substandard work, then they will be shut out and the supply of appraisers who can meet the standards will be reduced. Those appraisers can bid what they think is fair given the quality requirement. The lenders will pay.

Simple solution that has all the necessary pieces already in place (lenders are regularly audited as it is; so the ability to add an appraisal-quality to the audit can be fit within the existing audit framework). You don't need a new law or regulation; plenty of existing regulations on the books. All you need is to initiate the program. A MRA (Matter Requiring Attention) in an audit report will get the attention of the lender very quickly.

All that is eloquent except that it is not working- look at the erosion in the fees and in the profession. You can make equivocal, logical sounding arguments, but results and realty speaks for itself. You can't defend low fees, which your arguments do, and at the same time expect better results for the profession. Your lack of choosing a side ( appraiser interests or AMC interests ) has a consequence, whether you intend for it or not.
 
I thought the 48-hour turn time died years ago
Nope! Even one of my direct clients (they pay $450 for non complex SFR) has "48 hrs after inspection" although I will add that they have no problem amending that, no questions asked, if I just tell them I need more time - even if it's "because I'm just busy right now"

I'm 90% sure ACT still has the 48 hr after inspect (that's how they always were when I did assignments for them; only did 1 for them this year and didn't really pay attn) and, I'd be surprised if ServiceLink doesn't - I've never worked for SLink so I don't know ... maybe I'll ask some of my friends over there
 
Why should YOU be getting portion of the appraisal fee money at all?

If your company/ AMC's want to be in appraisal management service business, then charge the lender separately, charge them a rate for your service apart from what borrower pays and apart from what gets paid to the appraiser. Stop the business model of gouging appraisal fees to run your business in every state , city and region you can, while excusing it by the fact that in a few COW states it works in the appraiser's favor .

In addition, the fees of C and R are NOT defined as to be measured by supply and demand, it is defined in Dodd Frank - the measured standard are comparable to VA fees, govt surveys, and non AMC work in an area. The fact that you do an end run around it and say supply and demand sets C and R is not what the regulations state. (or why they were made in the first place)
Neither I nor my company take any part of the appraisers' fees. Appraisers set their fees and we pay those fees. When I deal directly with an appraiser and ask that appraiser to tell me what is his/her fee, and then I pay that, how am I "taking" the Appraiser's fee. I am not taking it - I am paying it. :)

Sorry you never read the part in the C&R rules about how the market should be the driving force. As an appraiser I would hope you would understand that concept. :)
 
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